John Stones

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BlueToffee said:
But we are not trying to sell our house, we'd rather keep it as we love it. However if a very good offer come along we would reluctantly accept.

That's why I don't get the 'take it or leave it' stance. I think Everton will happily leave it as we would love Stones to stay and learn from one of the best ball playing CB's there was. However, anyone could see why he would want the chance to work with Guardiola, but only if a deal suits us, not City or Stones.
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I agree mate...dont think Everton need or want to sell, so take it or leave it offer, actually making it easier for Everton to keep him! I think the only issue is, would they want to keep an unhappy player for a 2nd straight season? As you mentioned earlier, the way they could get round this is by offering him a new improved contract and add a release clause for next season. Personally think CB is a position with the most questions on our team, so if not Stones, we need to find someone. I think we'll find away to get this done before the transfer window shuts but clearly Everton are in control of this transfer and are negotiating from a position of strength.
 
BlueToffee said:
But we are not trying to sell our house, we'd rather keep it as we love it. However if a very good offer come along we would reluctantly accept.

That's why I don't get the 'take it or leave it' stance. I think Everton will happily leave it as we would love Stones to stay and learn from one of the best ball playing CB's there was. However, anyone could see why he would want the chance to work with Guardiola, but only if a deal suits us, not City or Stones.
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I'm not sure Everton would 'happily' leave it. This would be the second year he was looking to leave and as his contract runs down, his value starts to drop off from here. Footballers' contracts are a balancing act, unlike an investment in a house because you're dealing with a commodity that (all being equal) depreciates in value during the term of the contract. Worst case scenario is, if you don't let him leave, you could end up with a player determined to stay and see his contract out. That's where Everton fans are slightly over egging their bargaining position, imo.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
I agree mate...dont think Everton need or want to sell, so take it or leave it offer, actually making it easier for Everton to keep him! I think the only issue is, would they want to keep an unhappy player for a 2nd straight season? As you mentioned earlier, the way they could get round this is by offering him a new improved contract and add a release clause for next season. Personally think CB is a position with the most questions on our team, so if not Stones, we need to find someone. I think we'll find away to get this done before the transfer window shuts.
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He will be dissapointed, there is no doubt about it but he's 22, not 30 so its not like he missed his only chance at a move. He was dissapointed not to join Chelsea last year but this year Guardiola wants. If he keeps progressing, there will be plenty more opportunities to move as top clubs will always want top players - it doesn't benefit him to throw his toys out of the pram and by all accounts he's not that type anyway. As I have said in an earlier post, his form dipped due to the team and Martinez, nothing to do with his attitude.
 
The slaughtered lamb said:
I'm not sure Everton would 'happily' leave it. This would be the second year he was looking to leave and as his contract runs down, his value starts to drop off from here. Footballers' contracts are a balancing act, unlike an investment in a house because you're dealing with a commodity that (all being equal) depreciates in value during the term of the contract. Worst case scenario is, if you don't let him leave, you could end up with a player determined to stay and see his contract out. That's where Everton fans are slightly over egging their bargaining position, imo.
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The problem is that the contract situation is offset by the yearly increase in PL money floating about, so a £10mill decrease next year due to him only having 2 years left will be offset by the £10mill yearly increase in player values. Plus if he doesn't move there is no way he, or his agent will happily let him sit on £30k a week for the next 3 years so he will end up signing a new deal to reflect the valuation put on him by the club.

Its probably all irrelevant as I firmly believe he will sign for City but at the £50 mill valuation. I thought Koeman may have took Bony in exchange as we need another striker and he seems like a Koeman type, strong, can hold the ball up and can play upfront on his own - plus it would have meant less of the fee going to Barnsley.
 
Very briefly as i've not been up to scratch lately, how close/far is this from getting done?

I got the feeling that this was a done deal about a week or so ago and i know he's travelled with Evertons squad but i don't think he's played.
 
BlueToffee said:
The problem is that the contract situation is offset by the yearly increase in PL money floating about, so a £10mill decrease next year due to him only having 2 years left will be offset by the £10mill yearly increase in player values. Plus if he doesn't move there is no way he, or his agent will happily let him sit on £30k a week for the next 3 years so he will end up signing a new deal to reflect the valuation put on him by the club.

Its probably all irrelevant as I firmly believe he will sign for City but at the £50 mill valuation. I thought Koeman may have took Bony in exchange as we need another striker and he seems like a Koeman type, strong, can hold the ball up and can play upfront on his own - plus it would have meant less of the fee going to Barnsley.
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Cannot come on here mate talking sense, were not used to that :)
 
Super David Silva 21 said:
Very briefly as i've not been up to scratch lately, how close/far is this from getting done?

I got the feeling that this was a done deal about a week or so ago and i know he's travelled with Evertons squad but i don't think he's played.
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He has played.We appear to be playing hard ball and told Everton (allegedly) that its £40M,take it or leave it.
 
Dont forget article 17 which says provided the player is 3 years into his contract then he can buy out the rest based on his wages and original transfer value so his value will reduce significantly over the next 2 years
 
andyhinch said:
I believe the phase I don't want to go to Chelsea was used
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Other stories clearly suggest he would have gone! Not that it matters. What does is that he has appeared keen to join City for some time and Pep wants him. Just need a bit of sense over the deal. I'd hope that an initial fee plus bonuses arrangement could be agreed, which really is the fairest way to go when huge sums are involved for a young player but what's fair got to do with it?
 
BlueToffee said:
Cheers mate. I honestly don't get why your club and some fans are baulking at the £50 mill fee, its 2016 not 2012 - he will prove to be worth every penny.
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It comes down to supply and demand and always has done with transfers. You have a price, if we dont like it, we walk. I do think agreement will be reached though and maybe we will never know the actual price.
 
Are you on about future england captain"big" phil jones! He was a bargain at twice the price, heard he picked utd (where he came through the famed academy of course) over us, real and barca!
 
BlueToffee said:
Cheers mate. I honestly don't get why your club and some fans are baulking at the £50 mill fee, its 2016 not 2012 - he will prove to be worth every penny.
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I think because many of us arent sure how good he is. From the little I saw of him live last year I was not that impressed but obviously if our manager (who is better placed than me) wants him and think he is good enough then I wont argue but like everything a buyer will only pay what they feel is the value of an asset and no more
 
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