Unfortunately that is not true. We have one dressing room and one squad and a defeat is a defeat. Having excuses makes it slightly less depressing but I'd still take a win over a loss with an excuse. And ultimately we played 5 or 6 first choice players as well.But the rested players didnt lose again, they were rested... When our reserves play the outcome of that match has no meaning on the first team, why would last night? All we saw was a spirited performance in the first half from the kids and the reserves against a full strength United first team at OT. We saw young players in their first Derby come out with their heads held high. This game means absolutely nothing in relation to the first team and more importantly to the league.
Unfortunately that is not true. We have one dressing room and one squad and a defeat is a defeat. Having excuses makes it slightly less depressing but I'd still take a win over a loss with an excuse. And ultimately we played 5 or 6 first choice players as well.
Don't take this the wrong way as I'm genuinely not trying to jump on yer back, but you talk about flawed logic surrounding giving cups away for better runs in other comps. Where is the logic in adding potentially upto four games to a schedule of which some will be played at a critical point of the season. That is a full month where we will have minimum of two games in a week. I'm not sure about the dates of league cup games and I ain't gonna research it so I'll make an example up. How do you feel about us playing Bayern on a Tuesday then maybe Everton or someone on Saturday then Liverpool in the league cup then Tottenham at the weekend then Liverpool in the League Cup return then West Ham at the weekend then the return Bayern on Wednesday. That kind of fixture pile up we can live without.Really disappointing and gutted about last night and I'm sorry but yet again their seems to be flawed logic running through the club, whether this is from the owners or Pep himself I'm not sure, probably a bit of both.
Last season we gave away the Chelsea cup tie and a chance of us winning a trophy for a champions league semi final and trophy which we were never going to win, shafting the fans forking out good money.
This season yet again we meekly surrendered a trophy by our team selection that we won last season to save players for WBA and Barca. I don't get the rationale at all sometimes their are 29 league games to play and even if we lose to Barca on Tuesday we can still qualify for the next round with the 2 remaining fixtures.
Last night the Rags were coming off of a 4 nil battering from Chelsea and a poor run of form, I know we had not won in 5 but my point is they were their for the taking if Pep had showed a bit
of balls by playing a full strength xi the "bounce" of another derby victory, the rags eliminated and most importantly back to winning ways would for me have been the way to go.
Instead we got a cringe worthy pre match interview liking the Rags arses and demeaning slightly our history and the League Cup. All that was really missing was a white flag. I knew from that moment that we would not stand a chance of winning.
Yes I get about priorities and the League Cup is the least one to worry about, but I like the cups and will never tire of us getting to finals. It just seems a shame that our fans had to fork out £40+ to watch a relative reserve side vs a full strength rag side.. VK went off at half time (yes I know it was planned), but it felt we were playing a testimonial match. The problem is current managers are just out of touch with what a derby means these days. But hey Pep probably just shrugged his shoulders last night sipping his wine with Maureen. Let's hope like he doesn't disrespect the FA Cup in January. Gutted isn't the word.
Unfortunately that is not true. We have one dressing room and one squad and a defeat is a defeat. Having excuses makes it slightly less depressing but I'd still take a win over a loss with an excuse. And ultimately we played 5 or 6 first choice players as well.
Don't take this the wrong way as I'm genuinely not trying to jump on yer back, but you talk about flawed logic surrounding giving cups away for better runs in other comps. Where is the logic in adding potentially upto four games to a schedule of which some will be played at a critical point of the season. That is a full month where we will have minimum of two games in a week. I'm not sure about the dates of league cup games and I ain't gonna research it so I'll make an example up. How do you feel about us playing Bayern on a Tuesday then maybe Everton or someone on Saturday then Liverpool in the league cup then Tottenham at the weekend then Liverpool in the League Cup return then West Ham at the weekend then the return Bayern on Wednesday. That kind of fixture pile up we can live without.
Don't take this the wrong way as I'm genuinely not trying to jump on yer back, but you talk about flawed logic surrounding giving cups away for better runs in other comps. Where is the logic in adding potentially upto four games to a schedule of which some will be played at a critical point of the season. That is a full month where we will have minimum of two games in a week. I'm not sure about the dates of league cup games and I ain't gonna research it so I'll make an example up. How do you feel about us playing Bayern on a Tuesday then maybe Everton or someone on Saturday then Liverpool in the league cup then Tottenham at the weekend then Liverpool in the League Cup return then West Ham at the weekend then the return Bayern on Wednesday. That kind of fixture pile up we can live without.
Really disappointing and gutted about last night and I'm sorry but yet again their seems to be flawed logic running through the club, whether this is from the owners or Pep himself I'm not sure, probably a bit of both.
Last season we gave away the Chelsea cup tie and a chance of us winning a trophy for a champions league semi final and trophy which we were never going to win, shafting the fans forking out good money.
This season yet again we meekly surrendered a trophy by our team selection that we won last season to save players for WBA and Barca. I don't get the rationale at all sometimes their are 29 league games to play and even if we lose to Barca on Tuesday we can still qualify for the next round with the 2 remaining fixtures.
Last night the Rags were coming off of a 4 nil battering from Chelsea and a poor run of form, I know we had not won in 5 but my point is they were their for the taking if Pep had showed a bit
of balls by playing a full strength xi the "bounce" of another derby victory, the rags eliminated and most importantly back to winning ways would for me have been the way to go.
Instead we got a cringe worthy pre match interview liking the Rags arses and demeaning slightly our history and the League Cup. All that was really missing was a white flag. I knew from that moment that we would not stand a chance of winning.
Yes I get about priorities and the League Cup is the least one to worry about, but I like the cups and will never tire of us getting to finals. It just seems a shame that our fans had to fork out £40+ to watch a relative reserve side vs a full strength rag side.. VK went off at half time (yes I know it was planned), but it felt we were playing a testimonial match. The problem is current managers are just out of touch with what a derby means these days. But hey Pep probably just shrugged his shoulders last night sipping his wine with Maureen. Let's hope like he doesn't disrespect the FA Cup in January. Gutted isn't the word.
I note your points but sorry just feel overall gutted we have given away a trophy we were defending.
I understand what some of you are saying and Pep's reasoning that this competition is not a priority is sound. Still I feel he should have played a stronger side, destroyed utd and then in the next round you can play all the youngsters you like... Sure we need a win in the PL and then we play barcelona, but whats the point of beating barcelona (I'm serious about this) even if we win it wont be by enough margin to have better H2H and we will still finish second in the group. We need to win against celtic and gladbach in CL, barca will have to wait for the final :D
Exactly! We won fuck all for longer than my lifetime yet some of our fans are happy to sacrifice a cup, give me a break, we should be fighting hammer and tongue for every single trophy we ever have a chance of winning. Bet Summerbee and Bell weren't sat saying it will be ok if we beat WBA and Barca last night!I presume by 'doing without all those cup games' we mean 3 more games stretched over the next 4 months? Huge undertaking for a professional sports team. It's the easiest cup to win.
I understand what some of you are saying and Pep's reasoning that this competition is not a priority is sound. Still I feel he should have played a stronger side, destroyed utd and then in the next round you can play all the youngsters you like... Sure we need a win in the PL and then we play barcelona, but whats the point of beating barcelona (I'm serious about this) even if we win it wont be by enough margin to have better H2H and we will still finish second in the group. We need to win against celtic and gladbach in CL, barca will have to wait for the final :D