Donald Trump

[Ancient Citizen]

Apparently 53% of white women voted for Trump. Seems Madonna doesn't have overwhelming support in her
call for blowing up the White House. Honestly, the time to try and influence opinion was before the election,
not screeching and wailing after it, but hey-ho.

 

[cibaman]

According to the Times, estimated auguration crowds since they started holding the ceremony on the west side of the Capitol have been:

Reagan 1981- 10,000
Reagan 1985- 140,000
Bush snr 1989- 300,000
Clinton 1993- 800,000
Clinton 1997- 250,000
Bush 2001 - 300,000
Bush 2005 - 400,000
Obama 2009 - 1,800,000
Obama 2013 - 1,000,000
Trump 250,000 - 720,000

So clearly crowds do vary quite a lot, and the're usually much greater for Democrats rather than Republicans. Washington is a Democrat city. The Obama crowds were extraordinary. So I think Trump could legitimately argue that there has been media bias. If he'd been clever he could have used it to demonstrate just how big a job he will have to "drain the swamp". Its the outright denial that is slightly alarming, the "alternative facts".

Its comparable to the media coverage of the attendance for City v BMG. That was unfair, distorted, lacking in context. But at least nobody at City claimed the ground was full.

 

[Magicpole]

I doubt there is anyone on here who has not been present or participated in just those kind of conversations when in all male company at work or in a pub so get off your high horse, its what blokes do.
Your precious Hilary however has defended real life sex offenders/rapists including the c*nt she married all her life.

I'm sorry, but I have never been in a company where a man has admitted to grabbing pussies of woman who are shocked and don't do anything. Never.

There is plenty of talk about who we would like to shag. If the sex offender had been talking about who he would like then fine. He wasn't. He was talking about actually assaulting women. Over a dozen have come forward to show it wasn't even a misguided boast.

Keep tic tacs before you force a kiss?

You are trying to equate men talking about who they would like to shag with someone bragging they didn't just hope but assaulted them.

I'm not saying there has never been someone who assaulted women in this way in company I have been in, but, there has never been someone sit and admit that's what they do as they would be done in there and then. If anybody knew any of the women involved the degree of that tanking would increase exponentially.

It's not the same.

 

[Magicpole]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9585/...on-threatened-smeared-or-amanda-prestigiacomo

3. Hillary, defending an alleged rapist, smears his 12-year-old alleged rape victim, claiming the young girl had a "tendency to seek out older men." She also laughs on tape over the cunning way she had vital evidence dismissed, destroying the alleged rape victim's case.

“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,” Hillary wrote in the affidavit about the 12-year-old girl.

Hillary is even captured on tape laughing at the fact that she got the only piece of evidence against her client dismissed: “He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,” Hillary says, audibly laughing.

The alleged rape victim told The Daily Beast what she would say to Hillary if she ever has the chance: "‘You took a case of mine in ’75, you lied on me… I realize the truth now, the heart of what you’ve done to me. And you are supposed to be for women? You call that [being] for women, what you done to me? And I hear you on tape laughing.'"


Fuck Hilary Clinton, she is not a nice person or even good imo.

Being a terrible lawyer is now the same as being a sex offender?

So, it's ok for Trump to actually assault people because Clinton was a shit lawyer?

Clinton was a huge mistake, she obviously let that woman down badly, but that doesn't make it ok for Trump.

Or does it?

Is that the point of highlighting that case?

I am at a loss as to what's the point of it in relation to a sex offender.

I'd still rather have a woman who as a young woman made an arse of a serious case over 40 years ago than a guy right now who should be in a court himself facing jail time.

 

[Magicpole]

It's not okay no but convincing your husband to not act to stop mass genocide is worse.

So how do you know she didn't ask him to? Under your rational if you canny convince someone to do something you are equally culpable?

What universe of justice dies that come from?

The one where Trump called for the murder of wives and children of terrorists as they obviously deserve to die for being related?

It would make sense in that Trumpian nightmare. In the civilised world we would hope responsibility is determined and if you cannot convince someone to do something doesn't put you in the dock.

False equivalency is not a real thing.

 

[CityStu]

I'd still rather have a woman who as a young woman made an arse of a serious case over 40 years ago than a guy right now who should be in a court himself facing jail time.

Or would you just not vote? Trump's obviously a bit of a pig but Clinton wasn't endearing enough to attract the voters turned off by Trump to her.

 

[Magicpole]

Or would you just not vote? Trump's obviously a bit of a pig but Clinton wasn't endearing enough to attract the voters turned off by Trump to her.

I would have voted to try and keep trump out. I am no fan of Clinton but FFS Trump is deranged.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

it might not be the best, but thats how it is. its done by states, if it was done by the popular vote then california and new york would pretty much overrule the rest of america, i dont know much about it, but I'm presuming thats one of the reasons why there is a electoral system ?. look at the map after the election swell, the majority of america actually turned republican.

he won the most votes, in the vast majority of states. if we had a similar system here that would mean london basically deciding who should be in power over the rest of the country,

There is no perfect solution, there is a stark choice between going with the wishes of the majority of people or the wishes of the majority of states, many of which are sparsely populated. I see problems with each but I am swayed by the fact the system appears inordinately scewed in the gop's favour. As for London choosing for the UK, I contest that, London is to an extent a trend bucker among southern towns and cities in that much of it is Labour red, which puts it in line with much of the North and our Northern cities.

Question I guess is, is there such a thing as a perfect system.

 

[Magicpole]

So it's all about "Alternative Facts" according to Kelly Anne Conway of the Trump cult.

Interview on CNN.

The same interview aired on Fox Sake News, omitted that admission and being told

Alternative facts are not facts.

Liar liar pants ablaze Trump.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

So it's all about "Alternative Facts" according to Kelly Anne Conway of the Trump cult.

Interview on CNN.

The same interview aired on Fox Sake News, omitted that admission and being told

Alternative facts are not facts.

Liar liar pants ablaze Trump.

Staggering contradiction in terms. Her job is clearly Minister For Propaganda

 

[west didsblue]

I'm beginning to get the impression that Trump is using 1984 as his template for government.
Sean Spicer - Minister of Truth
Kellyanne Conway - Minister of Love
Mad Dog Mattis - Minister of Peace
Reince Priebus - Minister of Plenty

 

[Ban-jani]

So how do you know she didn't ask him to? Under your rational if you canny convince someone to do something you are equally culpable?

What universe of justice dies that come from?

The one where Trump called for the murder of wives and children of terrorists as they obviously deserve to die for being related?

It would make sense in that Trumpian nightmare. In the civilised world we would hope responsibility is determined and if you cannot convince someone to do something doesn't put you in the dock.

False equivalency is not a real thing.

Because Bill Clinton said so himself. He said she convinced him against it, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of innocent lives being lost.

You obviously don't know what I'm referring to as you've got mixed up. He had previously promised to help and she convinced him not to, it wasnt her not being able to convince him to help, it was her convincing him not to help.

It was an incredibly immoral act and one in which cost so much in human life.

I'm not talking about Trump, why do people keep insinuating I'm using the Clintons to defend him? I think he's a knob as well.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Because Bill Clinton said so himself. He said she convinced him against it, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of innocent lives being lost.

You obviously don't know what I'm referring to as you've got mixed up. He had previously promised to help and she convinced him not to, it wasnt her not being able to convince him to help, it was her convincing him not to help.

It was an incredibly immoral act and one in which cost so much in human life.

I'm not talking about Trump, why do people keep insinuating I'm using the Clintons to defend him? I think he's a knob as well.

Then why not talk about him? That was the whole point of my first post to you -- Clinton is over and done with; Trump is President; that's the thread topic; move on.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Because Bill Clinton said so himself. He said she convinced him against it, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of innocent lives being lost.

You obviously don't know what I'm referring to as you've got mixed up. He had previously promised to help and she convinced him not to, it wasnt her not being able to convince him to help, it was her convincing him not to help.

It was an incredibly immoral act and one in which cost so much in human life.

I'm not talking about Trump, why do people keep insinuating I'm using the Clintons to defend him? I think he's a knob as well.

As I've said before, this is a thread about Donald Trump and his presidency. If you want to start a thread about the Clintons then feel free to do so but please stop hijacking this one.

 

[Ban-jani]

As I've said before, this is a thread about Donald Trump and his presidency. If you want to start a thread about the Clintons then feel free to do so but please stop hijacking this one.

And as I've said before, I responded to someone else talking about Clinton and have replied to posts quoting me. I am leaving it now and had no intention to hijack the thread.

Also please do not call me insane again.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Also please do not call me insane again.

It's what I believe is known as an alternative fact. ;-)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's what I believe is known as an alternative fact. ;-)

There are lies, damn lies and alternative facts.

 

[TCIB]

Not happy at all with the fucking lonatic he has stuck as head of the CIA Mike Pompeo. These fuckers are a law unto themselves as it is. This chap wants Snowden hung from the nearest lampost and thinks invasive illegal monitoring of the whole world does not go far enough. The cia tech house and operatives must be jizzing in their pants. This fella is gonna give them a loose leash and not ask how they got their results.

 

[BigOscar]

Anyone see that he apparently bragged about being the person who'd been on Time magazines cover the most times when addressing the CIA in front of their fallen agents wall? Possibly his strangest brag yet.

a) Who gives a shit about how many Time Magazine covers you've been on?
b) Really not the place to be bragging about it
c) It's not even close to being true, Richard Nixon has been on it more than 6 times as many times, even both Clintons have been on it more times, which really links back to point a), who gives a shit?
d) You are lying to a bloody intelligence agency. Even if they did give a shit, they could probably discover pretty quickly that this non-achievement isn't remotely true?

On the plus side, he did say there memorial was "a very special wall" before degenerating into bizarre brags about how clever and popular he is. Lunatic

 

[Magicpole]

Because Bill Clinton said so himself. He said she convinced him against it, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of innocent lives being lost.

You obviously don't know what I'm referring to as you've got mixed up. He had previously promised to help and she convinced him not to, it wasnt her not being able to convince him to help, it was her convincing him not to help.

It was an incredibly immoral act and one in which cost so much in human life.

I'm not talking about Trump, why do people keep insinuating I'm using the Clintons to defend him? I think he's a knob as well.

Then that raises the question of him. She didn't have the power, he did. His decision. If he allows his wife to talk him out of it then I still blame him.

What was her rationale? What were the reasons she gave not to? I cannot see it as just an act of evil to let people die.

There must have been a geopolitical set of rationales she invoked . What were they? That it turned out terrible needs to take a place in the endless line of tragic balls ups that happened because politicians look at the world and call it wrong.

The situation with the Clintons under that logic is me killing my neighbour after my wife telling me to then blaming her and in doing so trying to exonerate myself from it.

She may have been an accessory but Bill took the final decision and the responsibility for doing so, after all advice is considered as it would be mine if I topped my neighbour.