10 | Jack Grealish - 2024/25

Not trying to argue , one side has been put calmer by me and the other poster , i am interested in the other side

I was never a fangirl , but then i didnt see what he gave us bar getting yellows for disent and winning free kicks when we didnt need them , making us stop start which disrupts the way we play , pep has said he doesnt tell him to do this and that he needs to up his goals and assists

Pep also said him and phil turned up to training in too bad a state to train and they didnt play . Pep is not happy with him

As i say he thinks he has made it and doesnt have the mentality that pep demands , they must go again and again

for the record i am not straight here to bash him after games
I'm definitely not going to fall out with you on this Kaz as life is far too short and I can see the argument on many of your points.

Personally, having forgiven Phil for the incident where he and Jack turned up worse for wear, and for breaking lockdown in Iceland, and various other incidents, and having forgiven countless other of our players for moments of shitty judgement on the pitch and in their personal lives, my preference is to extend the same courtesy to Jack.

I can fully understand and won't dispute the point of view that one such incident is one too many, and there are some things I'm inclined not to forgive. But getting pissed with Phil that time and training poorly in the run-up to that Fulham match are the only two such instances I'm aware of with Jack for us and on the other hand I've seen his teammates etc. describe him as a good trainer and that combined with his visible work rate on the pitch makes me inclined to think it's a case of occasional poor judgement rather than a general bad attitude. It's disappointed me when it's happened and I sympathise with anyone who can't get past it but like I said, having made it past judgement lapses by countless other players, I won't make an exception to that leniency here.

I think there's definitely a reasonable chance that the treble messed with his head a bit, but it's very unlikely that that impact lasted a year. I think it's more likely that the groin injuries he's been picking up across the past season or two have stopped him from getting into any kind of rhythm. Like many players, he's always taken a little while to come back after an injury, and unfortunately recently he seems to have been picking up new injuries or exacerbating the old ones before he gets properly into the swing of things. There may well be something that can be done to prevent those injuries through adjusting training and recovery etc. but considering how devastated he's been every time we've seen him get injured, I doubt he's not doing exactly as he's told. Like any player he wants to play as much as possible.

I also think we can't underestimate how last season was impacted by the robbery at his house, his family having been in danger and the aftermath of that coinciding with his partner and sister's pregnancies, and knowing that the perpetrators are still out there. I know, we all go through tough times and still have to do our jobs, but still - I sympathise.

If there's any credible evidence that he's been disruptive to the squad, disrespectful to Pep or the club, a nightmare to work with, not obeying his contract etc. then I'll get my pitchfork out and join the clamour for him to leave. But from what I can see from the outside he just seems like a bloke who tries his best, has really bought into what the club wants to do on and off the pitch, is really great with the fans, has had some bad luck with injuries and every now and then does something stupid.

As for his performances, I think that when he's been actually fit this season (and in pre-season) he's been good and has added a bit more directness back into his game. I'd love to see him get more goals and assists and I think those numbers are a fair criticism and I understand if you see them as the be all and end all for a player in his position.

Personally I think that when he's at his best he's very involved in the build-up to a lot of goals and I'm not going to get hung up on where in that process he happens to get his touches.

He's very good at drawing opponents to him and then putting the ball into the space they've vacated. He's very good at protecting the ball, which helps stop counter-attacks. I find him to be a very unselfish player who often does the thankless tasks that help others shine. He works particular well with whoever the left back is, making space and offering cover when the LB goes forward and making himself available for an easy ball whatever situation the LB is in.

He's an imperfect player who plays an important role in our squad. I don't know what's going on with his health, fitness or personal life but I trust Pep's decision making on whether or not to play him.

If he goes to the England camp, and especially if he plays, he'd better return to City after the international break with a boost in fitness and form and raring to go for us.
 
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Hi Karen, I think that is a decent response and makes your view clear.

As I said earlier, he is a player who divides the forum. Whilst I sometimes get frustrated with him, because I think he should be more progressive, I have to believe that he is playing in a way that he is encouraged to do by Pep.

I doubt that we will ever get to see it, but I s would like to see him playing in the left centre mid position and driving forward. More akin to t.he way he played at Villa.

I don't believe a lot of the social media shit and I don't believe him to be reckless regarding his fitness of application .

Too much made up shit for me from knownowts trying to sound knowledgeable or just attention seeking. A bit pathetic really, but social media is a cesspit and easily accessible sadly.
Thank you for the reply. I dont use twatter or facebook etc, i just use here and team news from city twitter . I do listen to peps pressers and after the game comments and he has said stuff about grealish like i said in my last post and he has tried to push grealish along but that doesnt seem to be working

He is a bit of a twat with drinking and cheating and i think it does affect him when it comes to football

If i am wrong i can take different views , truth is nobody knows for sure what has been going on, i wouldnt be surprised if pep stays that he goes in the summer
 
I am suggesting that the manager asked Grealish if he feels ready, and he answered emphatically yes, despite the club saying he is still not ready for this weekend. Again, if Grealish tells the manager, the club thinks I am not ready, and I do too, then Carsley would never have him as part of the England squad. I don't think he lied, he is just desperate to have his place in the squad, and is not smart enough to understand that the best way to secure his spot is play at a high level and injury free with his club.
That is pure speculation.

"smart enough to understand that the best way to secure his spot is play at a high level and injury free with his club"

No that is your imagination again. FA made it very clear attending EVERY camp is highly valued in their opinions. I don't agree with FA on many things but I don't think it is a player's place to object this.
 
I'm definitely not going to fall out with you on this Kaz as life is far too short and I can see the argument on many of your points.

Personally, having forgiven Phil for the incident where he and Jack turned up worse for wear, and for breaking lockdown in Iceland, and various other incidents, and having forgiven countless other of our players for moments of shitty judgement on the pitch and in their personal lives, my preference is to extend the same courtesy to Jack.

I can fully understand and won't dispute the point of view that one such incident is one too many, and there are some things I'm inclined not to forgive. But getting pissed with Phil that time and training poorly in the run-up to that Fulham match are the only two such instances I'm aware of with Jack for us and on the other hand I've seen his teammates etc. describe him as a good trainer and that combined with his visible work rate on the pitch makes me inclined to think it's a case of occasional poor judgement rather than a general bad attitude. It's disappointed me when it's happened and I sympathise with anyone who can't get past it but like I said, having made it past judgement lapses by countless other players, I won't make an exception to that leniency here.

I think there's definitely a reasonable chance that the treble messed with his head a bit, but it's very unlikely that that impact lasted a year. I think it's more likely that the groin injuries he's been picking up across the past season or two have stopped him from getting into any kind of rhythm. Like many players, he's always taken a little while to come back after an injury, and unfortunately recently he seems to have been picking up new injuries or exacerbating the old ones before he gets properly into the swing of things. There may well be something that can be done to prevent those injuries through adjusting training and recovery etc. but considering how devastated he's been every time we've seen him get injured, I doubt he's not doing exactly as he's told. Like any player he wants to play as much as possible.

I also think we can't underestimate how last season was impacted by the robbery at his house, his family having been in danger and the aftermath of that coinciding with his partner and sister's pregnancies, and knowing that the perpetrators are still out there. I know, we all go through tough times and still have to do our jobs, but still - I sympathise.

As for his performances, I think that when he's been actually fit this season (and in pre-season) he's been good and has added a bit more directness back into his game. I'd love to see him get more goals and assists and I think those numbers are a fair criticism and I understand if you see them as the be all and end all for a player in his position.

Personally I think that when he's at his best he's very involved in the build-up to a lot of goals and I'm not going to get hung up on where in that process he happens to get his touches.

He's very good at drawing opponents to him and then putting the ball into the space they've vacated. He's very good at protecting the ball, which helps stop counter-attacks. I find him to be a very unselfish player who often does the thankless tasks that help others shine. He works particular well with whoever the left back is, making space and offering cover when the LB goes forward and making himself available for an easy ball whatever situation the LB is in.

He's an imperfect player who plays an important role in our squad. I don't know what's going on with his health, fitness or personal life but I trust Pep's decision making on whether or not to play him.

If he goes to the England camp, and especially if he plays, he'd better return to City after the international break with a boost in fitness and form and raring to go for us.
Thank you , i will reply tomorrow as i am off now
 
I was watching ‘the big 6’ on YouTube last night.
Big Steve is on there and he was saying from what he’s heard Jacks not injured, when quizzed further by the Liverpool fan Steve said I’ll tell you later.
Something's going on, especially if he plays for England.
 
Clearly something going on behind the scenes. He should not be fucking off for England duty if he isn't fit enough for us; we're the priority. Raging, to be honest.
 
Come on now , that doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things
Ok I got u.

The date 18 months ago from today is Sunday, May 7, 2023.

City won 4 0 vs Real Madrid on May 17th?

I said I agree that it is best for him and City to move on but please don't rewrite history.
 

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