11 | Jeremy Doku - 2024/25

[moomba]

Frustrates me when he skins a defender only to stop, and has to then beat him again. Needs to play the ball earlier once he’s away.

To who? He rarely has options.

 

[SomeMightSay]

To who? He rarely has options.

Even less options when he delays and allows the defenders back in position.

 

[wattle]

To who? He rarely has options.

Unfortunately on the rare occasions he dies have options he still hits the first defender. Brightons right back worked him out by about the 60 min mark yesterday. Same as Savinho, he looks electric on the ball but neither produce anything when it matters. Worrying

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

It is funny because everybody liked this kind of winger over a Grealish because it is exciting but as we have seen, has little end product. Our best ever season involved wingers being controlled and disciplined.....

I quite like Doks but the end product needs to come in, we need to help him by being in the box and ready too. We just look dysfunctional all round

 

[moomba]

Unfortunately on the rare occasions he dies have options he still hits the first defender. Brightons right back worked him out by about the 60 min mark yesterday. Same as Savinho, he looks electric on the ball but neither produce anything when it matters. Worrying

It's typically the centre back blocking him after he beat the right back. The right back didn't get near him all game.

I don't think we give him much option, but to hit and hope for the best. Maybe that's the way it's always going to be against a low block, but I think our forward players need to improve their movement to give him and Savinho better options.

 

[moomba]

Even less options when he delays and allows the defenders back in position.

He's delaying because he often doesn't have a player to pass to.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

It is funny because everybody liked this kind of winger over a Grealish because it is exciting but as we have seen, has little end product

Jack has no end product and isn't entertaining.

 

[Ste68]

Even less options when he delays and allows the defenders back in position.

Doku appears to have everything you need in the locker to be a world class winger apart from the final ball/Finish. I think part of problem is decision making but another part is we are trying to pick out a single player in the box with few if any runners from deep or Savinho coming in from a wide position. Same problem and issues with Savinho whilst Bernardo tends to not cross at all and plays backward too often. Would persevere with Doku but we need another more productive option and need to keep playing Marmoush plus another midfielder who is willing to get in or around the box.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

All his good work over the last few games was completely undone by that bullshit at the end when he collapsed to the floor in injury time, expected a free kick and just sat there after the referee didn't buy it.

Absolutely fucking infuriating.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Jack has no end product and isn't entertaining.

Created the most chances in the CL the year we won it. That controlled approach proving to be the most successful in our history. We then got the fast exciting wingers that offer next to fuck all once past their man. Can't see much difference really if there is no end product either way

 

[cordonbleu]

Rapidly coming to the conclusion that it isn’t Doku who has some sort of anomalous flaw in his final product, it’s the structure of this team that completely wastes his ability (and that of some others).

Every time a Brighton wide player beats a man or breaks, they flooded the forward position with options. This is based on their superior athleticism but also on structure and coaching.

Don’t forget, when the cross came in near the end of the game, it was Baleba, the holding midfielder, who had killed himself qr that stage of the game to run past all of city’s midfield and get on the end of it (let’s ignore the finish).

And in numerous other occasions, someone in their wide positions does well and lifts his head up to see several options.

Doku beats players far more often than anyone else and constantly looks up to see two more players closing him down, rather than worrying about marking other players arriving.

I think he would have looked like a world beating if he was playing for the opposition yesterday, as he would have had multiple options every time he beat the full back, either when in a crossing position or when breaking from deep.

And it’s not just Brighton who are doing this. It’s loads of teams, and that’s why we look so vulnerable to them.

I'm not sure if Doku could develop into a player who could start in their team. Their wingers' tasks are not single-mindedly going forward as dribblers/ball carriers, are they? They create chances for others and attempt to score goals by themselves. But more notably, both wingers are heavily tasked with defensive duties as well. They run the flanks basically from one end to the other for 90mins. In the case of the left winger, depending on opponents, he often comes inside as a scorer, as no.8/10, a playmaker & IH. It is difficult to imagine Doku would have lasted 60mins playing like that as their starter, week in and week out.

I suppose that Brighton are not the only team playing this way. But echoing Pep's words, together with Pedro and Rutter, they possess one of the best attacking front in the PL.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Rapidly coming to the conclusion that it isn’t Doku who has some sort of anomalous flaw in his final product, it’s the structure of this team that completely wastes his ability (and that of some others).

Every time a Brighton wide player beats a man or breaks, they flooded the forward position with options. This is based on their superior athleticism but also on structure and coaching.

Don’t forget, when the cross came in near the end of the game, it was Baleba, the holding midfielder, who had killed himself qr that stage of the game to run past all of city’s midfield and get on the end of it (let’s ignore the finish).

And in numerous other occasions, someone in their wide positions does well and lifts his head up to see several options.

Doku beats players far more often than anyone else and constantly looks up to see two more players closing him down, rather than worrying about marking other players arriving.

I think he would have looked like a world beating if he was playing for the opposition yesterday, as he would have had multiple options every time he beat the full back, either when in a crossing position or when breaking from deep.

And it’s not just Brighton who are doing this. It’s loads of teams, and that’s why we look so vulnerable to them.

Doku should lift his head and look before he passes the ball. It is a basic flaw. It should have been coached out of him by now. Savio is the same. There were times yesterday when we had three spare men in the box and our wingers could not find them.

 

[pudge]

If he was playing for Brighton yesterday and put in that performance nobody would be calling for us to sign him

 

[King Jay]

He really needs a left foot. He can’t put a good cross with his left in. Thats where he lacks compared to Savinho. Nonetheless the only one trying to. No assists because no one attacks our near post

 

[jma]

I'm not sure if Doku could develop into a player who could start in their team. Their wingers' tasks are not single-mindedly going forward as dribblers/ball carriers, are they? They create chances for others and attempt to score goals by themselves. But more notably, both wingers are heavily tasked with defensive duties as well. They run the flanks basically from one end to the other for 90mins. In the case of the left winger, depending on opponents, he often comes inside as a scorer, as no.8/10, a playmaker & IH. It is difficult to imagine Doku would have lasted 60mins playing like that as their starter, week in and week out.

I suppose that Brighton are not the only team playing this way. But echoing Pep's words, together with Pedro and Rutter, they possess one of the best attacking front in the PL.

Maybe he could, maybe he couldn’t but that’s following instruction and until we see him given those instructions, we wouldn’t really know.

What we do know, however, is that there are multiple teams, Brighton being the current example, where, when attacking their wide players aren’t nowhere near as effective at beating a man (which little support or overlapping help) than Doku. But their wide players still do it (because they are given support) and when they do have more options and easier options than City/Doku.

Most of that is to do with the athleticism of and instructions given to City’s team.

It’s a big stretch of the imagination to say that, blessed with similar support/options, that Doku would look less dangerous than, say, Minteh, Sarr, Semenyo, etc (and they are just the stand out ones - players rotate in and out of these teams and look decent because of their structure/athleticism) none of whom can beat a player like he can.

 

[skillman]

Just watched a video of his highlights from yesterday again. So frustrating to watch how the rest of the team stand still whenever he has the ball.

He’s electric and creates space for others both by dragging players towards him but also by skinning his marker(s) more often than not. Yet no fucker makes a run for him to give a pass to.

His passing is fine. His crossing looks shit and aimless because everybody is static while Haaland always(!) lurches at the back post. Surely it’s obvious most of Doku’s crosses will be near post/middle of the area because of the speed he’s going when he’s running - look at the Spurs away goal.

The lack of movement around him is killing the team and making his end product look poor.

 

[Blue and true]

We had a different team and style of play back then. We are now so static up front it's ridiculous.

I get that, but even a quarter of the numbers Sterling put up each season would suffice from him. He's very erratic when it comes to the clutch moments; this isn't a problem exclusive to Doku, but some of the others have credit in the bank from previous.

 

[wattle]

He didn’t create one chance or have one shot on goal yesterday. Staggering when you think how well he looked like he played

 

[.db.]

Look at Haaland’s movement here on 1m 8s, if he makes a better run into space Doku might find him with an early cross when he’s in space:



Instead Haaland is barely jogging nor is he looking at Doku when Doku is in the best position and moment to get the ball to him.

Same thing happens again at 1m 22s. Just ambling forward with no purpose as Doku steams into space. At the moment Doku is best positioned to find Haaland, Haaland is being lazy and is twenty yards away from where he should be.

Doku’s end product does need to improve, but Haaland needs to get with the fucking programme n’all. That’s nothing short of appalling from Haaland.

 

[Bluewonder]

Doku appears to have everything you need in the locker to be a world class winger apart from the final ball/Finish. I think part of problem is decision making but another part is we are trying to pick out a single player in the box with few if any runners from deep or Savinho coming in from a wide position. Same problem and issues with Savinho whilst Bernardo tends to not cross at all and plays backward too often. Would persevere with Doku but we need another more productive option and need to keep playing Marmoush plus another midfielder who is willing to get in or around the box.

Doku has one thing you need in the locker to be a world class winger: dribbling.

He's missing:

Shooting
Passing range
Crossing
Speed
And work rate