31 | Ederson - 2021/22 Performances

[samarasra]

Whilst I agree about the way we play and the impact how can you say he had no chance of getting across for the first goal. He literally got a hand to it - the problem was it wasn't strong enough. And the second one he assumed Coutinho was putting it to his left so was flat footed. He fits our team perfectly with the way he plays but as a shot stopper he is in my opinion less than average. He commands his area well, and reads the through balls (usually) well, but he couldn't save if he was put in a bank

"but he couldn't save if he was put in a bank". What motivates someone to post that. It is not an opinion based on fact it is just a blatant falsehood. If you want facts watch some of the vast number of City's full match videos available.

 

[hihosilva]

I really don't want to be negative after that great title win but fuck me I have to respond to this. He is nowhere near the best goalie in Europe. He isn't even the best keeper in his own league.

Which goalkeepers do you think are better.

 

[RandomJ]

Which goalkeepers do you think are better.

Alisson, De Gea and Sa I'd say are better goalkeepers in this league. In Europe Courtois and Oblak. For the record I don't believe Ederson has always been a bad shot stopper. When we first signed him I thought he was amazing. I remember some amazing saves he pulled off. I just believe he has got too comfortable and complacent.

Almost every other player in our squad has competition for their spot. If Stones or Dias play shit there is Laporte and Ake to threaten their place. If Kev or Bernie play shit then Gundy is waiting. If Sterling or Mahrez play shit then there is Foden, Grealish and Gabby waiting to take their spot. If Ederson plays shit he knows for a fact that Steffen will never get picked ahead of him.

That's the problem we have with "He is perfect for our style of play." He doesn't need to work his arse off in training to work on his flaws or for his place in the squad. It is always guaranteed. Why would anyone work harder than they need to when they know their job is guaranteed?

 

[samarasra]

Alisson, De Gea and Sa I'd say are better goalkeepers in this league. In Europe Courtois and Oblak. For the record I don't believe Ederson has always been a bad shot stopper. When we first signed him I thought he was amazing. I remember some amazing saves he pulled off. I just believe he has got too comfortable and complacent.

Almost every other player in our squad has competition for their spot. If Stones or Dias play shit there is Laporte and Ake to threaten their place. If Kev or Bernie play shit then Gundy is waiting. If Sterling or Mahrez play shit then there is Foden, Grealish and Gabby waiting to take their spot. If Ederson plays shit he knows for a fact that Steffen will never get picked ahead of him.

That's the problem we have with "He is perfect for our style of play." He doesn't need to work his arse off in training to work on his flaws or for his place in the squad. It is always guaranteed. Why would anyone work harder than they need to when they know their job is guaranteed?

Have you evidence to suggest he is not working hard in training. There are many people who don't share your theory that having a guaranteed job implies less need to work hard,Ederson may be one who doesn't live by your standards so let's have some proof that he isn't working hard rather than basing your criticism on your attitude to work ethics.

 

[RandomJ]

Have you evidence to suggest he is not working hard in training. There are many people who don't share your theory that having a guaranteed job implies less need to work hard,Ederson may be one who doesn't live by your standards so let's have some proof that he isn't working hard rather than basing your criticism on your attitude to work ethics.

The proof is he is letting in more saveable shots, shots he has previously saved for us when he first signed for the club. So if it isn't an issue with training then it's a much more serious issue as that would mean it's him declining as a player which would be a real let down.

 

[hihosilva]

I take it then that you're judging the best goalkeepers on their shot stopping abilities only.
Yes i agree that Edersons shot stopping has not been as good recently but only for the last few months.

What ranks him above the rest though is his all round game. His awareness of danger is excellent especially with the high line we play, always knowing when to clear the danger. He brings a calmness to the defence & ultimately his ability & composure to pass either short, to the flanks or over the top. This is so integral to the way the modern teams play when passing out from the back.

I reckon if Pep had the chance to replace Ederson with any other keeper he wouldn't do it.

 

[RandomJ]

I reckon if Pep had the chance to replace Ederson with any other keeper he wouldn't do it.

I am sure you are right, I don't think Pep would pick any other keeper. I'm not calling for Ederson to be sold I think he brings a lot to our team but I am also not one who will overlook him letting in soft goals just cos he can pass it about with the defenders. If Pep is happy with that then so be it but if it continues to happen then one of those soft goals could be in a key knockout game and cost us a trophy.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

The proof is he is letting in more saveable shots, shots he has previously saved for us when he first signed for the club. So if it isn't an issue with training then it's a much more serious issue as that would mean it's him declining as a player which would be a real let down.

Would you do a straight swap, De Gea for Ederson?

 

[kismet]

That space in goal is huge, much bigger than it appears on screen. I don't think he is particularly susceptible to medium range shots any more than most. That Jota goal was only 7 yards out and was more of a pass in than a hard shot, which is what he might have anticipated. The play had moved very quickly from side to side and he had to adjust his positioning a lot during the build up, he looked disappointed so maybe he thought he could have done better. A lot of goals are scored close to a keeper's body and from mishits and deflections, they might look easy to save, but you only have to stand in the goal and get somebody to shoot from 7 yards at you to appreciate how difficult it is.

On the floor and distribution he is the best,

Our defence is one of the best around and we allow so few shots. Hence he is hardly kept busy and is he sometimes off guard.

I just think there are better shot stoppers around, but maybe he wins with his overall package

 

[RandomJ]

Would you do a straight swap, De Gea for Ederson?

De Gea is 31 so no I wouldn't swap a younger keeper for an older one but he has been a better keeper than Ederson this year in terms of stopping the ball going in the net. Without him the rags would have finished bottom half not in Europe.

 

[decmancity]

It is entirely possible he is just having a down year. Look at Oblak, his stats have dropped through the floor but Atletico wouldn't replace him and if he was on the market I am sure he would have suitors.

Fck knows why plenty on here are still living in the 90s and are solely basing a goalkeeper off how many saves he makes, literally the number of them never mind the quality of them.

Alisson is bobbins, he can barely pass the ball past 10yrds and frequently lets in what some on here would call an easy save.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

De Gea is 31 so no I wouldn't swap a younger keeper for an older one but he has been a better keeper than Ederson this year in terms of stopping the ball going in the net. Without him the rags would have finished bottom half not in Europe.

This year and most seasons De Gea has better at making point blank saves and one on one saves but only inside the 6 yd box and most have been saved on his goal line
I've always said he is one of the best reaction shot stoppers in the world, his agility and athleticism on point blank saves are brilliant, arguably the best.

However, he doesn't command his box and is poor at coming off his line to snuff out danger, plus his distribution is piss poor. And these attributes are what Ederson excels at. Ederson suits our style but sometimes makes a costly blunder but on the whole he's a very good all round keeper.

Alisson is a slightly better shot stopper i think but he flaps a lot and his distribution nowhere near as good as Ederson. There is no such thing as a perfect goalkeeper but I'm happy that we have got a goalkeeper who is pretty bang on most if the time.

 

[samarasra]

The proof is he is letting in more saveable shots, shots he has previously saved for us when he first signed for the club. So if it isn't an issue with training then it's a much more serious issue as that would mean it's him declining as a player which would be a real let down.

That's not proof it's an opinion not universally shared. Evidence, has a coach said his training is off or have you seen for yourself a poor training performance.

 

[samarasra]

On the floor and distribution he is the best,

Our defence is one of the best around and we allow so few shots. Hence he is hardly kept busy and is he sometimes off guard.

I just think there are better shot stoppers around, but maybe he wins with his overall package

There may be better shot stoppers, Pickford and Kasper, I think are, but I can see no keeper equal to his overall package.

 

[hihosilva]

De Gea is 31 so no I wouldn't swap a younger keeper for an older one but he has been a better keeper than Ederson this year in terms of stopping the ball going in the net. Without him the rags would have finished bottom half not in Europe.

Utd conceded 31 more goals than City this season. It doesn't get much worse than that. Do you think if Ederson had played for Utd this season they would have been in a worse position?

 

[blue ranger]

Needs to improve on his shot stopping and one on one's for the next season. Penalties saving too

I think his goal keeping is pretty average at best but luckily we don't concede many chances. Yes we can get a better goalkeeper but I can't think of any that would be anywhere near as good as him with their feet. On that basis he is irreplaceable in our current playing style.

 

[bhayes]

I think his goal keeping is pretty average at best but luckily we don't concede many chances. Yes we can get a better goalkeeper but I can't think of any that would be anywhere near as good as him with their feet. On that basis he is irreplaceable in our current playing style.

I would say his shot stopping is better than average. Hes had a poor season, sure, but he has made big saves in the past and he makes all the standard saves. Its usually when his defense lets him down and hes put into a bad situation that he makes errors. Average shot stopper for this league is the likes of the keepers on the mid table teams and I would definitely put ederson above them.

 

[Josh_D]

Before his move to Milan, the only keeper I’d say i rate besides the usual ones that are getting on in years around Europe is Mike Maignan. Great reflexes.

Nonetheless, for the way City play, it has to be Eddie aka mr ice in his veins.

 

[MarsLlama]

I genuinely 100% believe that if Ederson broke his leg in mid-September and we had to play a season without him, that's the only way people would start to understand how fucked we would be without a 'keeper as good as him at passing.

Which puts us in a really awkward position because he won't be around forever and it's very hard to just convert an academy goalkeeper into an Ederson-level player. They don't grow on trees, put it that way. We're basically hoping one pops up in South America somewhere before Ederson gets too old.

A few goals a season where we go "yeah maybe Alisson would've saved that" is nothing compared to how pissed you lot would be if you were watching Alisson or Ramsdale pass to the opposition in the final third every single match.

 

[MarsLlama]

There may be better shot stoppers, Pickford and Kasper, I think are, but I can see no keeper equal to his overall package.

To be fair, Schmeichel has had it very rough the last few years. He's had patches of brilliant form and also patches so bad that it's surprising they've stuck with him. At times I think his leadership ability is all that's keeping him in their XI.