Depends on how you consider failure , he still played for top clubs and is currently Celtic first choice , some of our fans find it easy to belittle former players who gave everything for the cause , i remember many games when Joe kept us in the game single handed , Joe Hart a failure ? Really ?If he was at his peak, then why he failed when he left City. The reality is he benefited from City playing style but when he moved to other clubs his weakness were exposed and thus he failed.
What style? When Joe was our starter, we weren't playing Guardiola-esque football and dominating sides, shots were flying in more often than they did under Pep and Joe kept us in games alot of times. He was a fantastic goalkeeper who unfortunately lost his confidence.If he was at his peak, then why he failed when he left City. The reality is he benefited from City playing style but when he moved to other clubs his weakness were exposed and thus he failed.
That’s possibly your most naive comment that I’ve seen on any topic. Despite disagreeing with you on many issues I always thought you had a healthily cynical view of human nature, or at least the worst excesses of it. The notion that some people don’t derive pleasure from being subjectively vindicated, despite it occurring in a situation that on the face of it causes them displeasure, is actually comical. Plenty of people do. It’s rooted principally in insecurity and we see it on here again and again, and in the wider world.Unless you have spoken to such a fucktard,i find that very hard to believe.
His Peak was 11/12 and he never scaled those heights ever againJoe Hart was the best keeper in the country if not the world for a couple of seasons , because Pep came in and wanted a ball playing keeper , it should not taint how brilliant Joe was at his peak.
It’s the same paradigm as Kinkladze. Look at the careers they both had after they left City (in their purported prime) to provide objective proof of their genuine quality. Both were great for a period when they were here, and as supporters that has huge currency, but when the debate moves to a wider sphere, their subsequent achievements (or lack of) provide clear evidence against any assertion of their greatness as players, especially given injuries haven’t played a significant part in that.His Peak was 11/12 and he never scaled those heights ever again
Prilo made him look a mug in Euro 2012 and that was that
massively overrated by blues
They aren’t City fans thenUnfortunately some City fans want Ederson to have a shit game tonight just to prove their point.
I agree. Joe Hart was getting towards being a top 5 world keeper. What happened to him i don't know but he was mostly a great keeper for us.What style? When Joe was our starter, we weren't playing Guardiola-esque football and dominating sides, shots were flying in more often than they did under Pep and Joe kept us in games alot of times. He was a fantastic goalkeeper who unfortunately lost his confidence.
Ditto apart from the bit about rating Ederson.I rate the guy and want him as our first choice but he's off it this season. What's the point of having a back up as good as Ortega if we aren't prepared to give him a go when ederson is clearly struggling.
I think Hart’s objective proof to his quality, at least in those years, were his big influences on us going from mid table to top of the table, champion league competitors and winning a few pots.It’s the same paradigm as Kinkladze. Look at the careers they both had after they left City (in their purported prime) to provide objective proof of their genuine quality. Both were great for a period when they were here, and as supporters that has huge currency, but when the debate moves to a wider sphere, their subsequent achievements (or lack of) provide clear evidence against any assertion of their greatness as players, especially given injuries haven’t played a significant part in that.
Loved them both when they were here, but logic dictates that they are both overrated by some blues.
and massively underrated by someHis Peak was 11/12 and he never scaled those heights ever again
Prilo made him look a mug in Euro 2012 and that was that
massively overrated by blues
The level of the players showing for the ball is lacking compared to last seasonsMade two good saves that you’d expect a keeper in the CL knockout stages to make and then misjudged the cross for their goal which you wouldn’t expect a keeper at this level to do.
His distribution isn’t what it was last season either. I hope we’re looking at alternatives.
Utter bollocks he was a brilliant keeper. Like saying because someone like Hazed fell off of a cliff after he left Chelsea he wasn’t a great player. Countless games against the very best Joe Hart kept us in them.His Peak was 11/12 and he never scaled those heights ever again
Prilo made him look a mug in Euro 2012 and that was that
massively overrated by blues
On his day, he was fucking immense.Ederson made some good saves last night but was and in general is, weak in the air. Confidence shot to pieces. Give the lad a rest and let’s see what Ortega can do.
In other news, Joe Hart was an exceptional keeper for us, if you think otherwise, maybe you weren’t attending games then to see what a good keeper he was.
like I said he was decent for two seasons , outside of that not so muchUtter bollocks he was a brilliant keeper. Like saying because someone like Hazed fell off of a cliff after he left Chelsea he wasn’t a great player. Countless games against the very best Joe Hart kept us in them.
Used to a surprise when he didn’t save a one on one. With that come we’ve got in net now it’s a surprise when he saves anything
like I said he was decent for two seasons , outside of that not so much
Ederson has won 4 league titles and is probably the best keeper of all time with his feet
Fair pointThe level of the players showing for the ball is lacking compared to last seasons
He’d undoubtedly got the best left peg and range of passing of all keepers. He’s got one of the best left foots i’ve ever seen. As an actual sweeper keeper i think he’s a touch over rated. He’s often rash in when to come out of his box and when to stay and leave it to his defenderslike I said he was decent for two seasons , outside of that not so much
Ederson has won 4 league titles and is probably the best keeper of all time with his feet