Bollox. That 'elbow' pales into insignificance compared to one of Fellaini's. That's why I said rug head or Ibrahimovic.
I completely agree about the system, it fosters inconsistency and is to open to external influence. Whether its detrimental to us is another argument which im going to avoid.
That's not what you said. You said if that was Ibra or Fellaini not only wouldn't they receive a ban but there also wouldn't be many complaints on here about it. That's crap, and so is your last post too. Aguero threw an elbow at someone and behaved like a dick. He's got what he deserves regardless what's happened with other players in the past.
I think the 'did the ref see it' is a grey area that isn't as black and white as it sounds. I suppose it means something along the lines of 'did he see an incident involving Aguero and Reid?' - Yes. Did he see Aguero throw an elbow in a violent manner - No. It is entirely plausible that the ref didn't see it as an elbow at the time despite looking right at it. Had he seen the elbow he would have sent him off there and then. It's funny people criticising the ref now but the irony is he actually helped us by not reducing us down to ten with the score at 2-1 and 20 minutes left.
It's impossible to tell intent in slow motion too.That is the crux of the matter what constitutes seeing an incident.
I think the ref did see the ' incident' in real time but like all of us has viewed it differently in slo-mo and from different angles. Too easy to say he has cheated or is lying because he was near the incident so must have seen it. Impossible in real time to determine intent for example.
Aw, and I was looking forward to a good squabble! It's the "referee didn't see it" element that needles me. When the alternative is to invite adverse scrutiny on their own performances by professing to having seen an incident but done nothing about it, they're always going to claim that they haven't seen it......even when it's blisteringly obvious that they have. It's a no win situation for the player, and when you get incidents like the Adebayor one, where Clattenburg took action on the day, but later lied that he'd issued the yellow card for a different offence, so the FA could then hit the City player with an additional charge, then it leaves you with no faith in the system whatsoever.
That is the crux of the matter what constitutes seeing an incident.
I think the ref did see the ' incident' in real time but like all of us has viewed it differently in slo-mo and from different angles. Too easy to say he has cheated or is lying because he was near the incident so must have seen it. Impossible in real time to determine intent for example.
He'll get some important games this season given how compliant he's proved when required.Surprise, surprise. I'd imagine the ref will now be banned from refereeing other Prem games, as if he can't see what's directly in front of him, then he needs looking at.