Altercation at Terminal 2

[abu13]

For what its worth he should have kicked him in the bollocks as well.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I'd say showing enough restraint to stop himself shooting the **** is sufficient self control

He had a taser in his arm when he booted him. If he felt he needed to he could have used that instead, maybe he didn't because he checked and was told that he'd already been tasered.

Just because he didn't go full Falling Down doesn't mean he exercised sufficient self-control.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

If you sir, we're being attacked by 3 or 4 people and felt threatened and did what the police officer did in this situation you wouldn't be in risk of a charge, you would have rightfully and willfully defended YOURSELF.

Indeed, and I may even go further than the law allows. But I'd also admit I wasn't cut out for policing if I did.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Don’t make them out to be victims-they are vicious thugs.

I didn't use the word victim. You've put words in my mouth. I've done the opposite of taking sides, opponent isn't a loaded term.

 

[bert38]

He had a taser in his arm when he booted him. If he felt he needed to he could have used that instead, maybe he didn't because he checked and was told that he'd already been tasered.

Just because he didn't go full Falling Down doesn't mean he exercised sufficient self-control.

I think judging him for his actions at that very point is incredibly harsh-last time I checked, training doesn’t involved getting thumped in the head numerous times and seeing all of your colleagues attacked.

You can argue he needs to justify his actions, and all use of force is recorded and assessed, and he may even need to do so in court, but I can’t see how anyone can seriously question his ability to perform his role when faced with such hostility.

If he’d gone down after the first punch or two and the police been overwhelmed you’d have applauded his restraint?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I think judging him for his actions at that very point is incredibly harsh-last time I checked, training doesn’t involved getting thumped in the head numerous times and seeing all of your colleagues attacked.

You can argue he needs to justify his actions, and all use of force is recorded and assessed, and he may even need to do so in court, but I can’t see how anyone can seriously question his ability to perform his role when faced with such hostility.

Isn't that the point, if he can't keep a lid on it when the shit hits the fan then he just isn't cut out for it.

 

[bert38]

I didn't use the word victim. You've put words in my mouth. I've done the opposite of taking sides, opponent isn't a loaded term.

Opponent makes it sound like you believe it’s supposed to some kind of fair fight? The police were simply trying to arrest him regarding an allegation of assault.

 

[bert38]

Isn't that the point, if he can't keep a lid on it when the shit hits the fan then he just isn't cut out for it.

But you want officers to carry firearms and to protect us but you also want them to be devoid of emotion, getting scared or reacting to shocking violence?

Those people don’t exist.

 

[Drewmanc]

Isn't that the point, if he can't keep a lid on it when the shit hits the fan then he just isn't cut out for it.

For the last time pal, he is allowed to use excessive force to keep hold of that weapon. This isn't a case of a fight 1 v1 or 2v1 or 3v1 it's an officer of the law controlling a situation that should never have happened. It most certainly 100% never happened if the perpetrators of the incident complied immediately and didn't act like disgusting inhuman animals.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Opponent makes it sound like you believe it’s supposed to some kind of fair fight? The police were simply trying to arrest him regarding an allegation of assault.

Change it to suspect then. Same point applies, police aren't allowed to get in last digs, that e.g, a householder might get away with against a burglar.

 

[manclad]

Have you now seen the whole video? You're looking to still fight an angle that's not there. Have you paid for the 5 minute argument or full half hour?

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[bert38]

Change it to suspect then. Same point applies, police aren't allowed to get in last digs, that e.g, a householder might get away with against a burglar.

They can in numerous situations

 

[remember arthur mann]

In your opinion

Maybe you do that in Salford but not in Newton upon the Heath.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

But you want officers to carry firearms and to protect us but you also want them to be devoid of emotion, getting scared or reacting to shocking violence?

Those people don’t exist.

If he can't keep his emotions in check he shouldn't be carrying a lethal weapon or a taser.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

They can in numerous situations

On people who have just been tasered and are incapacitated?

 

[west didsblue]

For what it’s worth he should have kicked him in the bollocks as well.

A kick in the bollocks would have been much more appropriate in this situation.

 

[bert38]

On people who have just been tasered and are incapacitated?

Did he even know? He could easily say he was getting up again.

Remember who the offenders are here.

I can’t say I’d have kicked him but I wasn’t there-and his defence will be based on whether subjectively he had an honestly belief at that time -see Rv Palmer

 

[Nellies left peg]

He went to hospital and has a cyst on his brain I read.

A cyst that appears within a couple of hours . I’m sure the medical experts can disprove that

 

[Barcon]

Maybe you do that in Salford but not in Newton upon the Heath.

Not how I remember it mate ; )

 

[remember arthur mann]

If he can't keep his emotions in check he shouldn't be carrying a lethal weapon or a taser.

But he doesn't know what the crackpot is carrying.