Not sure what you are saying? Its ok for the police to abuse? I mean thats the nub of this, should to police be reprimanded for abuse of power. Some on here seem to think No.its incredibly rare in this country that a law abiding person is mistreated by the police.
you are always going to get idiots doing the job-its inevitable and I'd say after more than a decade of the government eroding everyting about the job its even more likely-but I was brought up to do as I was told by a police officer-that seems somewhat old fashioned nowadays.
I think the whole thrust of my posts here have been the exact opposite of that-and the nub of it is whether the use of force was justified.Not sure what you are saying? Its ok for the police to abuse? I mean thats the nub of this, should to police be reprimanded for abuse of power. Some on here seem to think No.
On about page 2 or something I said he will be punished as a police officer he has to be held to a higher standard. You might not believe it but that guy will be highly trained and dealt with things we probably can't begin to imagine or handle. And now he will most likely be sacked and all his previous good work forgotten about. Is what it is, that is what they sign up for.
I think this is a different situation though. The female officer looks like she is almost unable to continue to perform her duties due to something that has happened, leaving just him and one other female officer to deal with the situation. Like it or not, if you are outnumbered you want the most physical officer up front and he probably recognised that, but got his actions wrong. It's not just a gender thing here, there's the experience and seniority of the officers plus the drive to be there for your colleagues regardless of gender.I, actually, agree with you with it being 'hardwired' into most men's brains. My own mother was subject to such actions and I terrorised men for a long time afterwards. my own daughters have been through situations and they have told me to stand down when I want rip throats out! I hated every minute of those feelings of them not wanting me to protect them, but I respected their own decisions on things.
Most of TODAY'S women do not seem to want such protection and, therefore, today's man has to respect the reason they choose the job they enter, especially jobs with possible conflict.
It's not great. It's tough to reconcile with. But you HAVE to respect it.
Agree with that, although sometimes female police officers are not physically capable of dealing with large men in a physical confrontation & then we're back to the beginning.I, actually, agree with you with it being 'hardwired' into most men's brains. My own mother was subject to such actions and I terrorised men for a long time afterwards. my own daughters have been through situations and they have told me to stand down when I want rip throats out! I hated every minute of those feelings of them not wanting me to protect them, but I respected their own decisions on things.
Most of TODAY'S women do not seem to want such protection and, therefore, today's man has to respect the reason they choose the job they enter, especially jobs with possible conflict.
It's not great. It's tough to reconcile with. But you HAVE to respect it.
what is it with you and CAPITALS? it DOESN'T make your weird sexist agenda views ANYMORE valid and makes you look DESPERATE.I, actually, agree with you with it being 'hardwired' into most men's brains. My own mother was subject to such actions and I terrorised men for a long time afterwards. my own daughters have been through situations and they have told me to stand down when I want rip throats out! I hated every minute of those feelings of them not wanting me to protect them, but I respected their own decisions on things.
Most of TODAY'S women do not seem to want such protection and, therefore, today's man has to respect the reason they choose the job they enter, especially jobs with possible conflict.
It's not great. It's tough to reconcile with. But you HAVE to respect it.
Is the correct answerCan't agree with you.
If he/they did do what is rumoured, he didn't deserve to be booted in the head by the cop.
They should have used proportional force to contain and retain, then taken them off to the cop shop for a damned good beating behind closed doors...
Quite often female officers are far better equipped than many male counterparts in those situations.Agree with that, although sometimes female police officers are not physically capable of dealing with large men in a physical confrontation & then we're back to the beginning.
And, whilst i understand your point, do you think the same officer should have lost his job if his stamp has resulted in brain damage and the man died?
It's merely degrees of force and luck for that to happen.
Use of force isn't kicking sometime in the head after they have been held down. Stamping on the head is not police protocols. Never had been. Its illegal as has been shown, by the police themselves.I think the whole thrust of my posts here have been the exact opposite of that-and the nub of it is whether the use of force was justified.
I'm not sure he was adequately restrained at that point.
I'd add though and its not esp relevant here-but Op Uplift introduced by the tories to hurriedly recruit 20k+ new officers was a mess-many got in without proper vetting, there are some who cannot write properly or even speak english-they are all kids-because the pay has been eroded so much, you aren't going to attract people with a family and a mortgage, often taking a substantial pay cut and deal with all the shite that comes with it. New recruits are leaving in their droves or getting into trouble (its always phones!). The service is actually broken-and needs a complete overhaul otherwise standards will indeed worsen.
At no point have I defended his actions other than to continually point there are circumstances where using such force would be justified..as highly unlikely as it would seem here, and there are processes which will now be undertaken.Use of force isn't kicking sometime in the head after they have been held down. Stamping on the head is not police protocols. Never had been. Its illegal as has been shown, by the police themselves.
I think this is a different situation though. The female officer looks like she is almost unable to continue to perform her duties due to something that has happened, leaving just him and one other female officer to deal with the situation. Like it or not, if you are outnumbered you want the most physical officer up front and he probably recognised that, but got his actions wrong. It's not just a gender thing here, there's the experience and seniority of the officers plus the drive to be there for your colleagues regardless of gender.
Agree with that, although sometimes female police officers are not physically capable of dealing with large men in a physical confrontation & then we're back to the beginning.
General public do my head in, they see these dickheads attacking the police, get there cameras out and give the police shit instead.
Interesting to hear-because that's exactly what friends of mine who are still in the job are saying-many in management positions and some in training.I worked for a few days with a copper who was involved in recruiting, he said the process in a shambles now, he had to point out one of the recruits had racist tattoos ffs how does that even happen. He said the biggest must have skill was communication and being able to defuse situations with words but far too many hotheads were passing through training.
it doesn't.That's because whenever there is any kind of incident like this the bodycam footage always mysteriously goes missing.