Arsenal Thread 2013/14

[gooner2]

Take your word on Ramsey's tackling ability you watch him more than I do.. Also your Ramsey Wiltshire and Ozil midfield is probably bit more fluid than ours because the one thing YAYA hasn't got is he ability turn on a sixpence...

Ramsey tackling ability was poor a year ago. But he is so much better at it this year and he far more confident when going forward.
We have a very fiuid midfield with wilshire, ozil and ramsey. Then we have likes of arteta doing the ugly defensive stuff. It what makes us so dangerous.
I think yaya is a awesome player when he wants to be. I think you are as fiuid as us when you at your best with the likes of nasri and siva moving forward. You shown that in your home games vs newcastle and man united. Only thing i say with city midfield is they do not do enough pressing of the ball . The Bayern game i felt you did not do enough to close down the spaces against them.

I wouldn't judge City on any performances in Europe. We for some reason seriously under-perform in Europe. Mental block I reckon.

Your Arsenal team is growing in confidence with every game. I think everyone is beginning to believe that this could be your year, however City are improving too.

We both have our strength and weaknesses

City's weakness: Kompany seems injury prone, and without him we have struggled away from home
City's strength: Tremendous strength in depth in midfield and the forward line that should be important in February and March when it's back to back big games every 3-4 days.

Arsenal's weakness: Over-reliant on Giroud? Plenty of goals comig from midfield, but hedoes seem pivotal to your style of play.
Arsenal's strength: Midfield options, and desire to win. At times in the last 2 seasons I feel City have been complacent and failed to kill teams off when they are on top. Right now Arsenal have that hunger

Of course you can,t just judge city on their form in europe. The opponents are of higher level and arsenal have had their issues going far in the tournament . I think this year we have been a different team and have the best squad we had in years. We have a great team spirit and a lot of confidence.
I think though both us like you said have strengths and weakness.
City strengths ; are in midfield and up front where when they have everyone fit they are fantastic. You have the best set of striking options in the league in my view. You did great business in the summer transfer market.
The weakness : is at the back where you lack depth without kompany. Can,t understand why lescott who is in my view a good player does not play more often. Also you don,t have enough defensive midfielders. Amazed you let de jong and barry go who were so key in you winning the league.
Our strengths : i also agree are the amount of midfield options we have and how clinical will have been . Also at the back mertersacker and kos has been immense and we press well of the ball. Also I agree these arsenal players have a immense hunger to win.
Our Weakeness : A lack of cover at the back . If mertersacker or kos get injured i worry whether we be as solid at the back. Not enough depth at center back when those two not around. We won,t have issue scoring but we need to keep defending well.

It going to be great battle in the title race between the three of us.

 

[gooner2]

somebody asked for a gif of wilsheres goal earlier couldn't be bothered to go back and find who it was but here goes

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Great goal - I really enjoy seeing football like that.

I think Arsenal are contenders this year, but I still put Chelsea as our biggest threat at the moment. They have a tough run of 5 or so games coming up, and then finish it off with a trip to the Etihad. If they are above us come the end of that run then I will start to worry about them a lot more. If you do rate Arsenals chances then you can still get 5/1 on them to win it, a fantastic price for a side top of the table after 8 games, but a true reflection that they still aren't the biggest threat.

I don,t bet but i think we be as much a threat to you as chelsea will be. What all three teams share is strong squads . I think city and arsenal play the better football though. Big game between yourselves and chelsea next week. Won,t decide either teams fate as to early in the season but could see a draw as neither will want to lose.

 

[afc16]

You're not at the same level as us, you've had a good start, that's it. It's almost dipper like in its unbelievable optimism.

You have to play Dortmund twice and could easily lose both games, whilst Napoli have 2 against Marseille. If you did lose both that leaves your group looking like:

1) Napoli 9
2) Dortmund 9
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3) Arsenal 6
4) Marseille 0

Even if you draw with Dortmund it would put you both on 7, as I think Dortmund are favourites for their home tie. That leaves you beating Marseille and Napoli in Dortmund, which could go any way, but let's assume Dortmund win.

1) Dortmund 12, 2) Arsenal 9, 3) Napoli 9, 4) Marseille 0.

If you take a point from the Dortmund games, that leaves it as:

1) Dortmund 10, 2) Arsenal 10, 3) Napoli 9, 4) Marseille 0.

And it still comes down to the Napoli game, away, which we lost 2 years ago and you could easily lose.

Even if you got a win v Dortmund in one of the games and went into the Napoli game with 12, it still doesn't guarantee you going through if you have a bad night. There is a scenario in your group where 12 points misses out. You and Dortmund share the spoils (1 win each), Napoli do the double over Marseille =

1) Arsenal 9, 2) Napoli 9, 3) Dortmund 6, 4) Marseille 0.

Dortmund beat Napoli and you beat Marseille.

1) Arsenal 12, 2) Dortmund 9, 3) Napoli 9, 4) Marseille 0.

Dortmund beat Marseille and Napoli beat you by 2 goals or better.

1) Dortmund 12, 2) Napoli 12, 3) Arsenal 12, 4) Marseille 0.

Winning CL? You still have to get a result against Dortmund and Marseille and maybe even a result in Naples regardless.

all you've done there is just go through the possible permutations.

nobody knows that will happen yet.

we have amongst the best home records in europe. i think only bayern and utd have ever beaten us at the emirates in europe. we've played barca ac milan borrisua dortmund napoli a lot of strong teams over the years.

so we have a good chance, as we've still got to play dortmund and marselle at home.

also i would disagree about not being on your level, how far back do you want to go? we could go back to the beginning of the year which is a long time and a lot of games and i think we'd be 2nd behind utd in points total.

our midfield is better then yours, defence about even, your forward options are better.

i wouldn't say your a level above us, what we might lack slightly in squad depth in terms of strikers, we make up for in team play due to our continuity over city.

-- Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:02 pm --

Better than the 2007 team of when you had Adebayor, Van Rapist, Fabregas and Hleb and Eduardo etc?

interesting as i mentioned this in another post today.

i think first 11 about even. that 07/08 team was great. should have won title if not for disturbing eduardo injury that rattled the whole team (don't blame them).

difference between then and now is squad depth which we didn't have then.

we had players like almunia, bendner, denilson and eboue in and around the first team. now we don't have any weak or sub par players like that apart from bendner, as we got rid of them all in the summer.

A better midfield????
Not much difference between defence???

This ladies and gentlemen is exactly why the Gooooooners are comedy gold, imbecile is a little harsh but the cap does fit I'm afraid

Hart or Szczesny??
Zab or sagna?
Kompany or mertesacker?
Nasty or vermalaen????
Clichy or Gibbs???

Not one of your defenders would get in our team over what we have

Midfield

Yaya or Wiltshire?
Silva or cazorla?
Fern or Ramsey?
Nasri or ozil??

One out 4 ain't bad!!!

Oh and we'll overtake you in the revenue streams for apr 2014, projections are already in if you'd of bothered to look!

be careful now, ur beginning to sound like the rags with ur arrogant 'we have the best of everything' mentality.

you pathetically put multiple question marks as if im some kind of nutter for even suggesting we have a better midfield???

yes we do have a slightly better midfield in terms of personal and depth.

cazorla or silva? about even but ask any non city or arsenal fan and most would say that for the last year at least cazorla has been better.

ramsey or fern? ask any non city fan in europe who'd they'd rather have now.

yaya or wilshere, not comparable as completly different players, in his position yaya is amongst the best in the world but this question shouldn't even be about 1 or the other. it should really be flamini or yaya and yea id say yaya.

ozil or nasri? phhh...

our midfield options:

ramsey
ozil
wilshere
flamini
rosicky
diaby
arteta
ox
cazorla

forget comparing man for man, as a collection of midfielders overall that is better then what you have got.

and yes we do have a fairly similar defence, not a night and day difference like your hundred question marks seem to suggest, as mentioned before you loose kompany and your defence wobbles as admitted by your own fans.

we have better left side, about even right side, and central defence with the exception of kompany is about even.

goallie? right now shezny is ahead on form, and on ability both about the same, hart gets hyped up cos hes english and you all fall for it.

and no i havent checked your projections for next april but unless they are over £400m (over a £100m jump from where you are now) then you won't be overtaking us anytime soon.

 

[gooner2]

all you've done there is just go through the possible permutations.

nobody knows that will happen yet.

we have amongst the best home records in europe. i think only bayern and utd have ever beaten us at the emirates in europe. we've played barca ac milan borrisua dortmund napoli a lot of strong teams over the years.

so we have a good chance, as we've still got to play dortmund and marselle at home.

also i would disagree about not being on your level, how far back do you want to go? we could go back to the beginning of the year which is a long time and a lot of games and i think we'd be 2nd behind utd in points total.

our midfield is better then yours, defence about even, your forward options are better.

i wouldn't say your a level above us, what we might lack slightly in squad depth in terms of strikers, we make up for in team play due to our continuity over city.

-- Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:02 pm --



interesting as i mentioned this in another post today.

i think first 11 about even. that 07/08 team was great. should have won title if not for disturbing eduardo injury that rattled the whole team (don't blame them).

difference between then and now is squad depth which we didn't have then.

we had players like almunia, bendner, denilson and eboue in and around the first team. now we don't have any weak or sub par players like that apart from bendner, as we got rid of them all in the summer.

A better midfield????
Not much difference between defence???

This ladies and gentlemen is exactly why the Gooooooners are comedy gold, imbecile is a little harsh but the cap does fit I'm afraid

Hart or Szczesny??
Zab or sagna?
Kompany or mertesacker?
Nasty or vermalaen????
Clichy or Gibbs???

Not one of your defenders would get in our team over what we have

Midfield

Yaya or Wiltshire?
Silva or cazorla?
Fern or Ramsey?
Nasri or ozil??

One out 4 ain't bad!!!

Oh and we'll overtake you in the revenue streams for apr 2014, projections are already in if you'd of bothered to look!

be careful now, ur beginning to sound like the rags with ur arrogant 'we have the best of everything' mentality.

you pathetically put multiple question marks as if im some kind of nutter for even suggesting we have a better midfield???

yes we do have a slightly better midfield in terms of personal and depth.

cazorla or silva? about even but ask any non city or arsenal fan and most would say that for the last year at least cazorla has been better.

ramsey or fern? ask any non city fan in europe who'd they'd rather have now.

yaya or wilshere, not comparable as completly different players, in his position yaya is amongst the best in the world but this question shouldn't even be about 1 or the other. it should really be flamini or yaya and yea id say yaya.

ozil or nasri? phhh...

our midfield options:

ramsey
ozil
wilshere
flamini
rosicky
diaby
arteta
ox
cazorla

forget comparing man for man, as a collection of midfielders overall that is better then what you have got.

and yes we do have a fairly similar defence, not a night and day difference like your hundred question marks seem to suggest, as mentioned before you loose kompany and your defence wobbles as admitted by your own fans.

we have better left side, about even right side, and central defence with the exception of kompany is about even.

goallie? right now shezny is ahead on form, and on ability both about the same, hart gets hyped up cos hes english and you all fall for it.

and no i havent checked your projections for next april but unless they are over £400m (over a £100m jump from where you are now) then you won't be overtaking us anytime soon.

I think to be fair to city they do have a good team and their is not a lot between us and them. I still think we have a better team sprit , a better manager and work harder of the ball then they do. But we are both the best two attacking teams in the league although i think our defence is a little better. Still think we finish ahead of them and chelsea this season to win the league. It be tough fight between the three clubs but we have the edge in our team all round. But its a long way to go .

 

[afc16]

and the fact that you've compared vermalin instead of kos shows you know nothing. vermalin hasn't been in the team properly for 1 year now. since the start of 2013 over 30 games, there isnt a partnership thats conceded less goals then mertersacker and kos.

gibbs has been one of best left backs this season and has always had promise.

clichy is shaky at best and error prone, its why hes one of the few players we sold on our terms, not because someone offered ridiclous money or becuase he wanted to go. we actually sold him unlike rvp nasri fabregas where we were forced into it.

sagna, apart from a slight dip in form last season, has constantly been among the best right backs in the league for the last 5/6 seasons. hence why he was france no1 and voted in premier league team of the season a number of times.

 

[gooner2]

and the fact that you've compared vermalin instead of kos shows you know nothing. vermalin hasn't been in the team properly for 1 year now. since the start of 2013 over 30 games, there isnt a partnership thats conceded less goals then mertersacker and kos.

gibbs has been one of best left backs this season and has always had promise.

clichy is shaky at best and error prone, its why hes one of the few players we sold on our terms, not because someone offered ridiclous money or becuase he wanted to go. we actually sold him unlike rvp nasri fabregas where we were forced into it.

sagna, apart from a slight dip in form last season, has constantly been among the best right backs in the league for the last 5/6 seasons. hence why he was france no1 and voted in premier league team of the season a number of times.

Your are right in a lot of your points. Gibbs has been immense and one of the best full back in the league. We have best center back partnership in the league and sagna been world class for us. At our best we have the best defence in the league

 

[stonerblue]

some top drawer stuff from Arsenal yesterday. Breathtaking at times.

 

[Anonymous]

arsenal have a very good team and will finish top 3 but you're pissing in the wind if you think carzola is better than silva.

what a ridiculous statement.

 

[gooner2]

some top drawer stuff from Arsenal yesterday. Breathtaking at times.

I agree. If we keep playing like this all season we win the league. We got a great chance and have best squad we had in ten years. You and chelsea will make it tough for us and push us as hard as you can to be fair.<br /><br />-- Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:41 pm --<br /><br />

arsenal have a very good team and will finish top 3 but you're pissing in the wind if you think carzola is better than silva.

what a ridiculous statement.

I think both are as good as each other. Two top players. I think we , city and chelsea will finish top three and any one of us can win the league.

 

[afc16]

arsenal have a very good team and will finish top 3 but you're pissing in the wind if you think carzola is better than silva.

what a ridiculous statement.

i didnt say he was better i said they are both about even which they are, i did say that last season cazorla was better and much more influential then silva.

i wouldn't loose sleep over which one i had out of the 2.

silva had a good start but your the one who's pissing in the wind if you think silva's been at his best for the last year, partly down to injuries and partly due to form.

he looks like he's starting to get back to how he was when he first came though.

 

[gooner2]

arsenal have a very good team and will finish top 3 but you're pissing in the wind if you think carzola is better than silva.

what a ridiculous statement.

i didnt say he was better i said they are both about even which they are, i did say that last season cazorla was better and much more influential then silva.

i wouldn't loose sleep over which one i had out of the 2.

silva had a good start but your the one who's pissing in the wind if you think silva's been at his best for the last year, partly down to injuries and partly due to form.

he looks like he's starting to get back to how he was when he first came though.

Siva as good as santi when he is at his best but he lost form last year due to injuries. If he can stay fit he can get back to the form of title winning season for city. Both are great players so it not always easy to compare them.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

if both sides keep progressing like they are doing, The game in December is gonna be a fucking humdinger.

 

[gooner2]

if both sides keep progressing like they are doing, The game in December is gonna be a fucking humdinger.

Agree with that. Their are seven more league games before we play each other so lets see what the gap is then. But if it around what it is now then game will be massive. Shame its a morning kick off due to bt sport. Still should be a cracker between the two most entertaining teams in the league.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

if both sides keep progressing like they are doing, The game in December is gonna be a fucking humdinger.

Agree with that. Their are seven more league games before we play each other so lets see what the gap is then. But if it around what it is now then game will be massive. Shame its a morning kick off due to bt sport. Still should be a cracker between the two most entertaining teams in the league.

By far.

 

[dave_blue12]

Statistically Arsenal's start doesn't look quite so impressive when comparing their results against the same teams last year. They have basically only played games they won last year and have therefore dropped 5 points !

Shamelessly stolen from Rawk

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=307955.0;attach=247664;image

You will notice that City ate actually 1 point better off !

 

[gooner2]

if both sides keep progressing like they are doing, The game in December is gonna be a fucking humdinger.

Agree with that. Their are seven more league games before we play each other so lets see what the gap is then. But if it around what it is now then game will be massive. Shame its a morning kick off due to bt sport. Still should be a cracker between the two most entertaining teams in the league.

By far.

Agree with that. Should be a cracker

 

[supercity88]

In the past we have always seemed to be flat when playing at the Emirates whereas at home we have looked more fluid and seemed the better side. In most games City are happy to keep the ball and generally they attack with greater urgency than Arsenal, although this season has seen a change in that somewhat. The difference between the two sides on paper is that we are more physical when we need to be, and we have more strength in depth in terms of striking options. If Arsenal manage to avoid injury they will do very well. Having said that most are still expecting a period of poor results that ruins Arsenal's season. It is something that seems to always happen but it may not this year. Got a good combination of passing and technique and pace as well especially when Walcott is back fit.

A lot depends on both teams defensively, without Kompany a lot of sides would fancy beating us. Having said that, I would feel the same as I do when playing against any of the top rival sides and that is that our defence can cope better with the opposition players than they can with ours. That is why I think City will defeat Chelsea on Sunday. If Arsenal keep up their form and beat everyone else they will be up there. Every team has slipped up so far, it will come down to who is able to deal with the pressure in the run in.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Just been watching a major wank fest on Ssn. Here's what I've learnt

1. Giroud is suddenly world class. His touch and strength are beyond compare.

2. Mertesacker is suddenly world class. His reading and positioning is beyond compare.

3. Arsenal will win the league.

4. Arsenal have Dortmund Chelsea Liverpool and United coming up and will blow them all away.

Can't wait for them to come to our gaff and give us a 5-0 slapping.

 

[JollyGood]

Statistically Arsenal's start doesn't look quite so impressive when comparing their results against the same teams last year. They have basically only played games they won last year and have therefore dropped 5 points !

Shamelessly stolen from Rawk

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=307955.0;attach=247664;image

You will notice that City ate actually 1 point better off !

I never understood these comparisons, teams changed over the summer. It's also highly dependent on when the club plays these teams. Before and after big CL games you'll see different results than when you play some on a regular weekend. You can't compare how injuries affected both teams at the time and it's also important if they played early or late in the season, what goals are still there for the teams, how is the motivation, determination at the time. It might even depend on the weather. The first game of the season is totally different to the last of last season, even when both times Arsenal play the same team.

 

[dave_blue12]

Statistically Arsenal's start doesn't look quite so impressive when comparing their results against the same teams last year. They have basically only played games they won last year and have therefore dropped 5 points !

Shamelessly stolen from Rawk

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=307955.0;attach=247664;image

You will notice that City ate actually 1 point better off !

I never understood these comparisons, teams changed over the summer. It's also highly dependent on when the club plays these teams. Before and after big CL games you'll see different results than when you play some on a regular weekend. You can't compare how injuries affected both teams at the time and it's also important if they played early or late in the season, what goals are still there for the teams, how is the motivation, determination at the time. It might even depend on the weather. The first game of the season is totally different to the last of last season, even when both times Arsenal play the same team.

It's just a bit of fun but with some interesting points

Yes teams change but fundamentally results stay quite similar.

This points to the fact that Arse have had a very easy start ! When they start winning/drawing games they drew/lost last season they will statistically become more of a threat for the PL Title.