Attacks in Paris

There isn't a very real threat to your life at all.

147 terrorist deaths since 2000 in the UK. 25,000 deaths on the road in that time. That's 170x more deaths though road accidents. Do you fear for your life when you get in your car or get on a bus? The fear factor is the one thing that terrorism tried to push. But it's virtually none existent. There were 3,600 earths from falls in the uk last year, 99 on them being people falling out of bed. That's against none to terrorism. 35 people drowned in their own bath tubs in that 12 month period to give the numbers some perspective.

Things like 9/11, 21/7 and Paris last night are huge news and awful tragedies but they are not the norm and as I said, in real terms, your odds of dying in a terrorist attack in any one year are slightly less than winning the lottery.

I get mathematical probability mate.

But besides the fact that you're ignoring all the attacks foiled, what of all the repercussions that our society suffers as a consequence of this threat, and government attempts to address it, that can't be measured in numbers of deaths or a risk of fatality from a terrorist attack on a day to day basis?

The very fear of the threat is a consequence that cannot be overlooked either. Hence 'terrorism'.

We live in a security obsessed country now, and that's because of said threat.

It is changing our way of life.
 
A week ago this evening I went into town to see a band with my brother, that band was the Eagles of death metal at the Ritz. It was a night where a group of 5 entertained, were friendly and gave a great show, all the crowd were happy and enjoyed a great gig. That a week later people just like myself and other gig goers, in another city went out to have the same experience, but never went home is a truely heartbreaking thing.
 
Also, @SWP's back, I didn't suggest there was a very real threat to my life as an individual member of Joe public, as I said; I understand mathematical probability. I meant that there was a very real threat of terrorism to the UK, as a nation.

Which there is.

And I said that this kind of ideology that brought these attacks to Paris last night, and brought down that Russian airliner over Egypt last week, poses a very real threat to the free world. And the liberties we often took for granted prior to said threat.

Which it undoubtedly does.
 
Seemingly, no-one has claimed "responsibility" for these heinous crimes, although many commentators are suggesting that it is most likely to be IS or sympathisers of IS.

It would seem to me that attacking their stronghold or so-called State wouldnt stop issues like this straight out. Its about addressing the fundamental ideology that eminantes from IS and is perpetuated within the state. Surely however, a concerted attack on the state and the stonghold, targeted at their infrastructire would make it a lot harder for these coordinated attacks?

I dont know what to think really. It was a truly horrible feeling this morning. I went to bed as i started work early today, woke up and saw this. Its properly affected me today.

I just despair that this is going to feed into the hands of the far right, britain first etc, which is bizzarely what I think the lunatics behind these attacks want.
 
Just to illustrate how much this ideology and terrorism is effecting our societies. Look at the response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre.

The debate about our very right to free speech and freedom of the press was quickly hijacked and became a discussion on sensitivity towards Islam and the right of Muslims not to be offended.

French satirical cartoonists were murdered because they drew a cartoon. That should've been the end of the moral analysis.

Instead, it became yet another discussion about how terribly discriminatory our society is, again, how it is our society that is more or less at fault. How the cartoons were 'provocative'.

None of the British newspapers ran with the satirical cover cartoon of Muhammad to show solidarity. Sky News even cut a French journalist live off air when she held aloft the cover of Charlie Hedbo when she was discussing the attacks.

Our society's response was one of great grief and horror at the attacks, but an unwillingness to stand up for the very freedoms we hold dear.

Instead, the right not to be offended won out, as did the fear of violence. Violent religious bigots sought to impose their religious blasphemy laws over our liberty valuing free societies, and we more or less gave them what they wanted out of cowardice.

I repeat: this ideology poses a threat to our way of life.
 
I have just had someone say to me that they are worried about an attack at Old Toilet and they really feel that it is inevitable because of the rags high profile around the world and the fact they have jewish owners, Plus security at the swamp is poor and they are used to people walking in carrying bags that are never searched .

I am not aware if the Glazers are jewish or not but the high profile point is worrying. imagine the coverage if a suicide bomber detonated a device in the crowd during a live match the carnage and crushes during the panic would make the news worldwide. the death toll could be massive.

I had never really thought about it but it is slightly worrying. I suppose this sort of event in England is going to occur at some point.
 
With people prepared to blow themselves up its a battle we cannot win.

We just have to let our security services continue to do a great job. Also any time a family member disappears to fight for Isis Etc we come down on that family and associates like a tonne of bricks to ensure the extremism cancer is not spreading. There should also be more policing of extremist mosques and use of the Internet. Harsher jail sentences for support of extremists and education programmes in Muslim schools.
 
Seemingly, no-one has claimed "responsibility" for these heinous crimes, although many commentators are suggesting that it is most likely to be IS or sympathisers of IS.

It would seem to me that attacking their stronghold or so-called State wouldnt stop issues like this straight out. Its about addressing the fundamental ideology that eminantes from IS and is perpetuated within the state. Surely however, a concerted attack on the state and the stonghold, targeted at their infrastructire would make it a lot harder for these coordinated attacks?

I dont know what to think really. It was a truly horrible feeling this morning. I went to bed as i started work early today, woke up and saw this. Its properly affected me today.

I just despair that this is going to feed into the hands of the far right, britain first etc, which is bizzarely what I think the lunatics behind these attacks want.

After some big set backs with their chief propaganda weapon Jihadi John, Sinjar falling and some big hits in Syria you would have to assume it is ISIS related in some way. I think you are right there is not a lot of ideological difference between extremists on all sides and the far right will be delighted at this opportunity. I suspect claims aren't made as now these things are becoming fragmented to make infiltration hard
 

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