Attacks in Paris

That's the bit that they want their followers to beleive Bin Laden made his famous from Arabia to al-Andalus (What we know as Spain) speech trying to recreate the days of the Caliphs, ISIS is different they are more of a doomsday cult trying to enable the end of days so the Prophet (or God I forget which one) can return to rule the earth, the enlightenment and the subsequent development of Western Civilisation seems to have passed by the Islamic world (Kamal Ataturk the founding father of modern Turkey was of the exact same opinion and much of what he said back then could be said now)

But there is something far deeper going on, people must remember that most of the Muslim world lives in grinding poverty and is governed by repressive regimes, if you travel and talk to a lot of young Muslims in North Africa and around the world (which I have) you find out that they actually want what we have, the sexual liberty, freedom of expression, our relative wealth etc, but it's denied to them.

Poverty and wealth are really the drivers, religion is just the tool of control. There will never be peace in the world when the richest two - three people own more than the poorest billion .
 
Poverty and wealth are really the drivers, religion is just the tool of control. There will never be peace in the world when the richest two - three people own more than the poorest billion .

Don't you think as well that the problem you get with these groups - think IRA / Real IRA/ Continuity IRA - there are some in the terrorist group that will never give up the cause no matter what because they believe but just as dangerously there are some that are so far down the line they know if some sort of peace comes they are probably fucked - they will have done so much part of the deal would be they were handed over to face justice or even their own side will do away with them so they don't blab about everybody's involvement? So already there will be those in ISIS who will never give up violence and some who would think their best interests lie in its continuation so that by now we are probably well past the point of no return?
 
Poverty and wealth are really the drivers, religion is just the tool of control. There will never be peace in the world when the richest two - three people own more than the poorest billion .
It's a fact that many people just can't seem to get in to their heads, if it's not Religion it's some form of political belief
 
Tbh, if I'm honest it's not really important where they come from. We've seen British Muslims attack this country so be it French, Belgium or Syrian their goal is the same. To kill as many people as they can
It is important to the right and anti immigration people who desperately want the terrorists to be Syrian refugees. For the rest the only important thing is finding them, their supporters, their network and the next attackers and stopping it happen again.
 
The idea that people fleeing war torn countries are a `swarm`, IMO, dehumanises them. This s your true intention, because that's the type of guy you are.

Its what Cameron called migrants mate and some on here would have him be the "consummate politician". I agree with you - consider people as sub-human and why should they respond with humanitarian beliefs to you? Then again what would I know I am probably just a pleb to him.
 
It is important to the right and anti immigration people who desperately want the terrorists to be Syrian refugees. For the rest the only important thing is finding them, their supporters, their network and the next attackers and stopping it happen again.

Exactly - it would be bliss for them - at last vindication of their anti immigrant anti muslim agenda. That has to be set aside whilst the authorities concentrate on the real job in hand.
 

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