So, @Prestwich_Blue , even if your figures are correct, this means that the majority remain silent although they know that what is being done in their name is wrong? Not one apology that I can ever remember from anyone connected with British Jewry. Please tell me differently. I am happy to be educated but not misled.
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Attacks in Paris
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whp.blue
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It's a global issue. The focus on Paris is merely a concentration of those issue at present.
Anyway, I apologise unreservedly for any offence that may have been caused. I'm just used to saying what I feel and think as I live in the Free world. I lived in Dubai for a couple of years and hated it because it was almost the direct opposite of that. I'm moving away from this thread but have something to say on the Etihad Security thread.
BTW the French Muslim organisations are ensuring that all sermons at Friday prayers unconditionally denounce terrorism. A I've said, they've been saying this at Manchester Central Mosque all year and even ask for a show of hands, this vote against terrorism always being unanimous.
All this may be true, however which ever way you cut it these atrocities are being carried out by Muslims and as such they must attend a Mosque / place of worship somewhere But I never here a muslim coming forward and saying yes those extremists were radicalised at my Mosque.
west didsblue
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Do you think one tweet represents the views of 99% of British Jews?This is a tweet today from a British Jewish lady who is a very successful lawyer who appears on TV advising on family matters. Bog standard comments from, for example, British Jewish lawyers. In return, nobody is allowed to say anything or face losing their careers and/or liberty. So much for free speech.
'If Palestinians weren't hard liners they'd have made peace and got a state.It's wiping out Israel. Anyone who thinks differently is deluded.'
PM only. It's from my professional twitter account contact and they would come for me, trust me.Who said that, out of interest?
mancitymick
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The prisoners of war?
Fuck, they're taking this seriously
Ha, Prince of Wales
Maybe. That's a long way off. Even if so, the vast majority would live in poverty as the West continues to get richer.1 Billion Hindu's, 4 billion Muslims, with the numbers of Muslims increasing exponentially. As a worldwide population Muslims will outnumber Christians by 2100, and between them they'll account for almost 70% of the world's population.
I've said it before. They are criminals and mercenaries. And how would you know the identity of everyone that ever attended your local mosque? A strange thought, my friend.All this may be true, however which ever way you cut it these atrocities are being carried out by Muslims and as such they must attend a Mosque / place of worship somewhere But I never here a muslim coming forward and saying yes those extremists were radicalised at my Mosque.
Maybe. That's a long way off. Even if so, the vast majority would live in poverty as the West continues to get richer.
maybe some of the sovereign wealth in some these states where all this poverty will exist could be spread a tad more evenly, just a thought
kas_tippler
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It was a balls up but I think it's crisis management after the event.....or out was a huge balls up and French intelligence was caught with its pants down?
Prestwich_Blue
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I didn't want to derail the thread so changed that post to a pm. But there is no organisation called "British Jewry" just the same as there's no organisation called "The Muslim Community" plus I've never been one for claiming that innocent Muslims should apologise for the actions of individuals over whom they exercise no control. Why should British Muslims need to apologise for the actions of Boko Haram against Christian in Nigeria or for the actions of Pakistani Muslims against Catholics in Karachi? No reason at all and they can have little or no influence on events. Similar for British Jews.So, @Prestwich_Blue , even if your figures are correct, this means that the majority remain silent although they know that what is being done in their name is wrong? Not one apology that I can ever remember from anyone connected with British Jewry. Please tell me differently. I am happy to be educated but not misled.
The fact is that many British Jews are deeply critical of Israeli actions, which is contrary to what you were suggesting.
bluemoonmatt
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Someone must know who they are, I assume a would be jihadist doesn't rock up to the imam and enquire who they need to speak to for a spot of radicalisationI've said it before. They are criminals and mercenaries. And how would you know the identity of everyone that ever attended your local mosque? A strange thought, my friend.
whp.blue
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I've said it before. They are criminals and mercenaries. And how would you know the identity of everyone that ever attended your local mosque? A strange thought, my friend.
Are you saying that no one has ever been approached by a hate preaching Inman ? and how come the ones who don't wish to be radicalised never come forward or do these inmans have a 100% Success rate?
bluethrunthru
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It's obvious that the story of the mastermind of the Paris attacks being in Syria has been fed to the press so to lull them into a false sense of security, the dark arts of false information.
In my opinion all that it proves is the degree of confusion since Friday and the way 24 hour rolling news trying to fill the air can muddy the waters. The press seem to be getting stuff and reporting it willy nilly - I know the BBC operate a system where there needs to be 2 corroborating sources before they will report things SKY News were reporting varying death tolls etc and what other stations were saying all over the place ( some on here did comment there was a newsroom wankfest going on at times ) - so one outlet hears or gets told the guy is in Syria - suddenly everybody reports he is in Syria. Some footage is found of him in somewhere hot so he MUST be in Syria
It may not have been the dark arts - may just be the case for the French that the press had something they were happy with so leave them to it - stops them mithering for a while at least
Some strange views on radicalisation. It appears that the internet is the cause. Apart form the Finsbury Park mob, I can't think of another Mosque that has been in any way involved with terrorism. I've been going to mosques in Manchester for nearly fifty years and the suggested scenarios are just alien to me.
bluethrunthru
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Are you saying that no one has ever been approached by a hate preaching Inman ? and how come the ones who don't wish to be radicalised never come forward or do these inmans have a 100% Success rate?
exactly - its also always the case that nobody had any idea that these people were radicalised - what they did was completely out of character and they were such a good lad or girl - never in trouble - loved their mum - bought her flowers etc etc - so its doubly amazing that those who radicalise have a 100% success rate and they only seek to recruit the "nice" kids not those that might have a propensity to get up to no good- who'd a thowt that eh?
kas_tippler
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My experience at Cheadle Mosque, which is only on the open day, has always been a pleasant welcoming one.Some strange views on radicalisation. It appears that the internet is the cause. Apart form the Finsbury Park mob, I can't think of another Mosque that has been in any way involved with terrorism. I've been going to mosques in Manchester for nearly fifty years and the suggested scenarios are just alien to me.
Are you saying that no one has ever been approached by a hate preaching Inman ? and how come the ones who don't wish to be radicalised never come forward or do these inmans have a 100% Success rate?
How do you know they never come forward?
If a Muslim has concerns that an Imam (not an Inman) is trying to radicalise people then I'm guessing that they would perhaps go to the police before they create a thread on Bluemoon and tell you about it.
Glad you enjoyed it!My experience at Cheadle Mosque, which is only on the open day, has always been a pleasant welcoming one.
Yaya goes there for Juma and gets left well alone [so please no-one disturb him there]. Sadly, the only trouble I've ever know there was was family-related [my family, that is. #sigh].
west didsblue
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I don't recall being approached by a hate preaching gay shop assistant at a department store in the 1970s.Are you saying that no one has ever been approached by a hate preaching Inman ? and how come the ones who don't wish to be radicalised never come forward or do these inmans have a 100% Success rate?
Haha. Very good.How do you know they never come forward?
If a Muslim has concerns that an Imam (not an Inman) is trying to radicalise people then I'm guessing that they would perhaps go to the police before they create a thread on Bluemoon and tell you about it.