Away tickets

Rhineland said:
Sorry, that this is not related to the recent discussion, but I have got a serious question:

Is there a policy or hidden agenda in England to prevent fans from going to away matches?

On 1st of June, Southampton and Cologne announced a pre-season friendly at St. Mary's for the 3rd August, 7 weeks later with only two weeks to go until the match takes place, still no tickets available for the away section. Saints started to sell tickets two weeks ago, but, as probably expected, don't sell tickets for the away section.

Cologne say they are in talks with Southampton, but haven't received any yet, so they couldn't start the sale.

Are they aware that people have to book flights, trains, ferrys or coaches and accomodation at some point? Most obviously did when the match was confirmed by both clubs, but I think a lot more would have come over had there been tickets on sale way earlier. Cologne have been let down by poor allocation in England before.

We got 1.100 for our first round German Cup away match, about 600 got to the away season ticket holders (demand is far higher but they stopped the sale of away season tickets a couple of years ago), the rest of 500 went on sale and sold out in 3 seconds. (We don't have a loyalty points scheme, it's on a rather first come, first served log-in-to-the-website-and-pray-you-get-through-basis lottery)
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Probably down to Southampton trying to arrange Police cover for the fixture with discussions based on how many Cologne expect to travel. Less away fans less cost. I would expect Cologne will request a small amount of tickets for a couple of blocks in the bottom tier. But that is only my guess.
 
Fame Monster said:
Liverpool away in 10 years time




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(only kidding before anyone sees their arse)
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Imagine that will be more trade in blue pills than blow.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Mate my comment about the ‘shitty games’ was a quote / reference of the poster I was replying to. Maybe should have made that clearer

Would love to put the graft in, but it’s not always possible. Lots have work, family and aren’t able to do newcastle on a Wednesday night. Local games are the only ones I could at times.

I think a lot of games are a closed shop. I’ve mentioned the bigger games, literally impossible for most of our fans to ever get enough points to go to them. I don’t agree on the age point - watch cheesmans videos and you can see the vast majority of attending fans are 50+ years old.

You mention loyal fans and putting the hard work in- my dad went to pretty much every away game in the 70s, 80s and early 90s - stopped because he couldn’t afford it and can now afford it again. Someone with 20+ years of going to away games with no chance whatsoever of going to the bigger games, unless you know someone. Barely any recognition either of the games he’s went too. I wouldn’t say he was less deserving of a ticket.

I completely understand your points and understand the sacrifices you have put in personally. I’m not trying to criticise long standing away fans. I just don’t think the current system works or is fair
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Everyone's got work and family.

You cannot base your opinion on a demographic of our away support purely on Ian Cheeseman's vlogs. The people he speaks to are usually people he has known for years. I could quite easily post a picture I've seen from every away game this season of a group of younger lads who are going. I think there's more under 25's going now than there were 10 years ago. Depends on the game.

I have sympathy with your dad's situation, and I'm sure he's not the only one.
 
GortonBlue62 said:
Do you not understand that pensioners don't live forever?
On my coach this season we've had one death, one triple bypass and one (permanent) absentee through general ill health.
Father time will cull many more over the next few seasons.
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Thanks for reminding me what's to come!
 
berryblue said:
Thanks for reminding me what's to come!
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As a wise man once said...

"Astride of a grave and a difficult birth. Down in the hole, lingeringly, the grave-digger puts on the forceps. We have time to grow old. The air is full of our cries."
 
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Bill said:
when I bought my West Ham tickets I asked when the points will be added. they said I don't get them, they give my points to a random 18-25 year old in case they throw their toys out of the pram again.
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I got one in 18-25 and didn't get points. I asked supporter services why some did and they said it was an error and everyone who had been given points will have them taken off them.
 
What did West Ham sell out at last year? If points whoring is an issue then surely as this isn't a factor anymore then the point that we sell out will be low as those who were buying for points only and then to pass on have no need. If they sell out at a high number then what do we deduce? That the so called points whoring isn't an issue and that the distribution of tickets which stops loyal fans from buying is. And therefore if that is what we can deduce will the club admit they have it badly wrong and whilst I accept there will always be the odd person who will buy and sell without any intention of going the problem lies elsewhere and it's probably a lot nearer to home.
 
Eds said:
What did West Ham sell out at last year? If points whoring is an issue then surely as this isn't a factor anymore then the point that we sell out will be low as those who were buying for points only and then to pass on have no need. If they sell out at a high number then what do we deduce? That the so called points whoring isn't an issue and that the distribution of tickets which stops loyal fans from buying is. And therefore if that is what we can deduce will the club admit they have it badly wrong and whilst I accept there will always be the odd person who will buy and sell without any intention of going the problem lies elsewhere and it's probably a lot nearer to home.
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They don't care. Nothing will change now until next season.

The 18-25 allocation selling out within half an hour should have been indication enough to what will happen
 
Eds said:
What did West Ham sell out at last year? If points whoring is an issue then surely as this isn't a factor anymore then the point that we sell out will be low as those who were buying for points only and then to pass on have no need. If they sell out at a high number then what do we deduce? That the so called points whoring isn't an issue and that the distribution of tickets which stops loyal fans from buying is. And therefore if that is what we can deduce will the club admit they have it badly wrong and whilst I accept there will always be the odd person who will buy and sell without any intention of going the problem lies elsewhere and it's probably a lot nearer to home.
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There are 5% less tickets available to points holders and its the opening game of the season, so everyone wants to go. I don't think they are comparable. Whatever Arsenal sold out at is a better comparison, and then add on probably 2k-3k for points acquired during last season and the 5% fewer tickets.
 
cptaidan88 said:
There are 5% less tickets available to points holders and its the opening game of the season, so everyone wants to go. I don't think they are comparable. Whatever Arsenal sold out at is a better comparison, and then add on probably 2k-3k for points acquired during last season and the 5% fewer tickets.
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There are almost 10% less tickets for points holders. The pot was 60% of the allocation so a 3000 allocation means 1800 tickets for points holders. 150 of those tickets now go to 18-25 year olds and therefore it has reduced the loyalty points allocation by 8.33%.
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
There are almost 10% less tickets for points holders. The pot was 60% of the allocation so a 3000 allocation means 1800 tickets for points holders. 150 of those tickets now go to 18-25 year olds and therefore if has reduced the loyalty points allocation by 8.33%.
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Please don't annoy me any more than I actually am........
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Don’t agree. If there was loads of young fans attending away games the club wouldn’t be concerned or be introducing an 18- 25 year old ticket option. The main aim to increase the numbers in that age bracket.

It’s a problem in football as a whole at the minute. Most clubs, fans groups Fsf recognise that
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There are loads of young people at away games
 
cptaidan88 said:
There are 5% less tickets available to points holders and its the opening game of the season, so everyone wants to go. I don't think they are comparable. Whatever Arsenal sold out at is a better comparison, and then add on probably 2k-3k for points acquired during last season and the 5% fewer tickets.
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Arsenal sold out at 15,500, adding on 2k points for those that miss out on the very high point games, you'd expect W Ham to sell out at 17.5k......
 
Yes, there may have been plenty of younger people at away matches. I'm one of them, but I qualify on my own right. The issue was that many of those you see were buying off other people, hence they never accumulated points to catch up. If the club had not have scrapped away loyalty points, the 18-25 ballot would not have been an issue, as it would have provided the aforementioned an aid so to speak to catch up.
 
Eds said:
What did West Ham sell out at last year? If points whoring is an issue then surely as this isn't a factor anymore then the point that we sell out will be low as those who were buying for points only and then to pass on have no need. If they sell out at a high number then what do we deduce? That the so called points whoring isn't an issue and that the distribution of tickets which stops loyal fans from buying is. And therefore if that is what we can deduce will the club admit they have it badly wrong and whilst I accept there will always be the odd person who will buy and sell without any intention of going the problem lies elsewhere and it's probably a lot nearer to home.
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Slightly difficult to compare the two - first game of the season always has more people interested, I didn't go to West Ham last season as it was just before Lyon away.
 
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