Back On The Chain Gang

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Why do governments set the minimum wage level so low to appease industry at the detriment of the tax payer. Where does it benefit a government who then have to pay out welfare to top up these insulting salaries into some as-semblance of a living wage. Set the bar higher then we would not have to offer our work force financial support. If a company cannot afford to pay an honest wage for an honest days work then quite simply that company should not be trading in the first place. A contentious issue for sure.

I imagine somebody somewhere gets a tax-break of some sort as well as cheap labour, while it also massages the unemployment figures.

 

[Rascal]

Why do governments set the minimum wage level so low to appease industry at the detriment of the tax payer. Where does it benefit a government who then have to pay out welfare to top up these insulting salaries into some as-semblance of a living wage. Set the bar higher then we would not have to offer our work force financial support. If a company cannot afford to pay an honest wage for an honest days work then quite simply that company should not be trading in the first place. A contentious issue for sure.

Be careful, you are close to saying you want the total collapse of the Capitalist system.

Marx and his work on surplus value explains it all, but remember being a Marxist is naughty, it makes you an insurgent, a commie, a red under the bed, a nasty lefty etc etc.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Be careful, you are close to saying you want the total collapse of the Capitalist system.

Marx and his work on surplus value explains it all, but remember being a Marxist is naughty, it makes you an insurgent, a commie, a red under the bed, a nasty lefty etc etc.

Is that what it would do, bring total collapse of the capitalist system simply by paying a living wage. It smacks in the face of common decency by underpaying a workforce in order to massage the books. Again I have no idea why governments insist on adopting this mantra as the cost to the taxpayer via top up benefits must be immense. If you pay a work force a living wage then you would naturally increase output and quality of workmanship as opposed to lethargy apathy and the dreadfully piss poor service we see before us today.

I don't think the commie Red Under The Bed Brigade or the Marxist Movements have anything to offer otherwise they would have acheived the heady height's of office already. I think it's just reactionary politics from a minority and although it sounds really good to go it just never seems to catch on.

I am not heavily into politics or even profess to have an understanding of the genre at your level so instead I adopt the Mazzerelli Swiss Cheese Mantra by voting for any party that appeals to my own sense of ideal come election time.

Wasn't that young urban guerilla "Wolfie" Smith, from Tooting a Marxist who constantly spent every episode emulating his hero Che Guevara.

 

[A57 the snake]

Why do governments set the minimum wage level so low to appease industry at the detriment of the tax payer. Where does it benefit a government who then have to pay out welfare to top up these insulting salaries into some as-semblance of a living wage. Set the bar higher then we would not have to offer our work force financial support. If a company cannot afford to pay an honest wage for an honest days work then quite simply that company should not be trading in the first place. A contentious issue for sure.

Bang on ...

 

[Saddleworth2]

I think they create anti- social havoc because they know full well that there's no deterrent to deter.
Incarceration's the only answer and the time for honoring themselves must surely be at an end. Lock em down and free society of these feral miscreants that plague our streets.

If you build the prisons They Will Come!

We could start with the criminals in Whitehall. The ones that hand out contracts to their mates, or lie to the public on a daily basis. One of them is well practiced in hi viz orange.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

We could start with the criminals in Whitehall. The ones that hand out contracts to their mates, or lie to the public on a daily basis. One of them is well practiced in hi viz orange.

If indictable offenses then yes by all means prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

 

[stonerblue]

More fucking coppers on the streets. Not rocket science.

 

[Saddleworth2]

If indictable offenses then yes by all means prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

But who makes the law? Who is responsible for enforcing it and who seeks to influence the judiciary?
Westminster is rotten to the core mate.
When last did we have a Police federation that has stated unequivocally that they have no confidence in the Home Secretary?
'Old ideas wrapped as new initiatives to hide systemic underfunding and undermining of the entire judiciary system'
They get away with it because police can't and won't strike.

 

[Marklr]

And its by adopting policies exactly the opposite of this (other than the educating them bit which will never happen whilst the prisons are being run by G4S and Serco) that has allowed the Norwegian Government to close prisons.

How Norway turns criminals into good neighbours

Twenty years ago, Norway started focusing on rehabilitating prisoners, and sharply cut reoffending rates.

www.bbc.co.uk

but well done for falling for the latest piece of red meat thrown to you by the Tories.

Fuck all to do with the tories or whatever they've said recently...that's been my opinion for a long time. And you can't compare Norway to the UK.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Fuck all to do with the tories or whatever they've said recently...that's been my opinion for a long time. And you can't compare Norway to the UK.

Why not?