Balotelli (continued)

[bernabias home shirt]

He's not very good.

Really?

Hes no Messi nor Ronaldo and I know you prefer RVP and Rooney to be in the blue right now but to say he isn't very good flies in the face of the evidence.

Go on then...Evidence it.

I think he's going to get a you tube clip of the goal from the swamp.

 

[moomba]

Really?

Hes no Messi nor Ronaldo and I know you prefer RVP and Rooney to be in the blue right now but to say he isn't very good flies in the face of the evidence.

Go on then...Evidence it.

I think he's going to get a you tube clip of the goal from the swamp.

Or the other 29 he's scored for us at a rate better than 1 every 2 starts. Or his performances at the Euro's. Or that pass. Or the nomination for the Ballon d'Or.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Really?

Hes no Messi nor Ronaldo and I know you prefer RVP and Rooney to be in the blue right now but to say he isn't very good flies in the face of the evidence.

Go on then...Evidence it.

I think he's going to get a you tube clip of the goal from the swamp.

Alright mate.

I just don't understand peoples blind loyalty to this guy. Pidge made a really good point before that if he had been playing for the rags we would al have been pissing our sides at having such a liability in the team yet because he wears the blue we must support with no criticism.
He has been fucking average on the field for the time he has been here bar the odd decent performance but his off field shenanigans really are boring now

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Go on then...Evidence it.

I think he's going to get a you tube clip of the goal from the swamp.

Or the other 29 he's scored for us at a rate better than 1 every 2 starts. Or his performances at the Euro's. Or that pass. Or the nomination for the Ballon d'Or.

And also the worst goals per min(prem games) of any of our 4 strikers at the club since they joined
And thats with his pens included

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Despite being the longest thread on view outside the Legend that is Edin by some number I am still to read a single post that constructively argues well for why we should get rid of Mario.

Let me try. How many games have we said "Wow. Mario was excellent"?

There was the FA Cup Final, the Blackburn game last season, the 6-1 and a pass in the QPR game for Aguero's goal that was probably more in hope than in expectation.

That's 3 games in two and a half seasons. Most of the rest, he looked like he couldn't be bothered, tried fancy little flicks or tricks that got us nowhere, dived all over the place, sulked or got himself sent off and banned. That might be OK for the likes of Lee Croft or Willo Flood, who cost us nothing, but not for someone who thinks he's the reincarnation of Pele and cost us nearly £20m and over £100k a week.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

I think he's going to get a you tube clip of the goal from the swamp.

Or the other 29 he's scored for us at a rate better than 1 every 2 starts. Or his performances at the Euro's. Or that pass. Or the nomination for the Ballon d'Or.

And also the worst goals per min(prem games) of any of our 4 strikers at the club since they joined
And thats with his pens included

The stats don't lie Col

 

[stonerblue]

He's not very good.

Really?

Hes no Messi nor Ronaldo and I know you prefer RVP and Rooney to be in the blue right now but to say he isn't very good flies in the face of the evidence.

Go on then...Evidence it.

A quote from Vieira in today's Times;

4.54pm: For 13 seconds, United believe they have won the title. Then Nigel De Jong picks up the ball for City in his own half, surges forward and plays the ball into Agüero 15 yards outside QPR’s penalty area.

Vieira: I was looking at the clock and thinking: “OK, we just need half a chance, that’s all.” But we need to be in their box. I remember the goal like it was yesterday. Nigel got the ball, he was looking around for someone to pass to and spotted Agüero, who gave it to Balotelli and then set off on his run.

The way that Mario slid to give Sergio that return ball — that was a great pass. At that time in the game, with so many players around him, when Sergio got the ball back at his feet I was just saying: “Hit it straightaway.” In your mind, you try to put yourself in the shoes of the player and I just wanted him to hit it at once but when he took it past Taye Taiwo and scored, well, it was unbelievable.

 

[mancity1]

Despite being the longest thread on view outside the Legend that is Edin by some number I am still to read a single post that constructively argues well for why we should get rid of Mario.

He's not very good.

Personally I think the best reasoning is that no manager in the world except Mancini feels the need to have four strikers of such a high profile and high wages. Better sides than ours make do with just one or two top class strikers and a decent supporting cast. We have four "top class" (though I don't think two of them really are but the general perception is that they are) strikers and it seems more troublesome than beneficial at times as he constantly swaps them around to keep them all happy, never allowing for any combination to form any long-term partnership. You have Aguero and Tevez with their 100% win record when starting yet Newcastle was their first start together in about a month. I feel the resources put into an unnecessary luxury (4 strikers earning £120,000/week+++ each) to be put into other roles that really need it more. I'd rather we had paid someone like Eden Hazard those wages than a fourth striker playing a periphery role with 1 league goal this season as it'd be of greater benefit to our squad (in my opinion).

Every player has his price and no one should be indespensible as such , however I would suggest we ended with four strikers because of the fact that we couldn't off load Tevez when the sentiment was there to do so.

There isn't as much hype about the four at Manure and while its the case both Rooney and Wellbeck can file more than one role , so can Tevez and Ballotelli if the opposition and the circumstances warranted it.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Really?

Hes no Messi nor Ronaldo and I know you prefer RVP and Rooney to be in the blue right now but to say he isn't very good flies in the face of the evidence.

Go on then...Evidence it.

A quote from Vieira in today's Times;

4.54pm: For 13 seconds, United believe they have won the title. Then Nigel De Jong picks up the ball for City in his own half, surges forward and plays the ball into Agüero 15 yards outside QPR’s penalty area.

Vieira: I was looking at the clock and thinking: “OK, we just need half a chance, that’s all.” But we need to be in their box. I remember the goal like it was yesterday. Nigel got the ball, he was looking around for someone to pass to and spotted Agüero, who gave it to Balotelli and then set off on his run.

The way that Mario slid to give Sergio that return ball — that was a great pass. At that time in the game, with so many players around him, when Sergio got the ball back at his feet I was just saying: “Hit it straightaway.” In your mind, you try to put yourself in the shoes of the player and I just wanted him to hit it at once but when he took it past Taye Taiwo and scored, well, it was unbelievable.

?

 

[LoveCity]

There isn't as much hype about the four at Manure and while its the case both Rooney and Wellbeck can file more than one role , so can Tevez and Ballotelli if the opposition and the circumstances warranted it.

Difference is that Welbeck and Hernandez are not high maintenance and high profile players (both earn well under £100,000/week), they do not seem as demanding and Ferguson isn't as pressured to rotate because of their reputations, meaning Rooney and Van Persie have struck a lethal partnership. Our equivalent of United's strike force would be something like Aguero, Tevez, Michu, and Guidetti. Tevez and Balotelli can play different roles but how often are three of our strikers on the pitch at the same time? Only if we're desperate for goals, meaning Mancini doesn't rate their versatility highly enough to regularly have three of them on the pitch. A striker like Jovetic would probably allow us to have three on the pitch more effectively from the start because he can comfortably play in the hole or as an attacking midfielder.

 

[stonerblue]

Go on then...Evidence it.

A quote from Vieira in today's Times;

4.54pm: For 13 seconds, United believe they have won the title. Then Nigel De Jong picks up the ball for City in his own half, surges forward and plays the ball into Agüero 15 yards outside QPR’s penalty area.

Vieira: I was looking at the clock and thinking: “OK, we just need half a chance, that’s all.” But we need to be in their box. I remember the goal like it was yesterday. Nigel got the ball, he was looking around for someone to pass to and spotted Agüero, who gave it to Balotelli and then set off on his run.

The way that Mario slid to give Sergio that return ball — that was a great pass. At that time in the game, with so many players around him, when Sergio got the ball back at his feet I was just saying: “Hit it straightaway.” In your mind, you try to put yourself in the shoes of the player and I just wanted him to hit it at once but when he took it past Taye Taiwo and scored, well, it was unbelievable.

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last para', 1st sentence.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

A quote from Vieira in today's Times;

4.54pm: For 13 seconds, United believe they have won the title. Then Nigel De Jong picks up the ball for City in his own half, surges forward and plays the ball into Agüero 15 yards outside QPR’s penalty area.

Vieira: I was looking at the clock and thinking: “OK, we just need half a chance, that’s all.” But we need to be in their box. I remember the goal like it was yesterday. Nigel got the ball, he was looking around for someone to pass to and spotted Agüero, who gave it to Balotelli and then set off on his run.

The way that Mario slid to give Sergio that return ball — that was a great pass. At that time in the game, with so many players around him, when Sergio got the ball back at his feet I was just saying: “Hit it straightaway.” In your mind, you try to put yourself in the shoes of the player and I just wanted him to hit it at once but when he took it past Taye Taiwo and scored, well, it was unbelievable.

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last para', 1st sentence.

What abt lescots throw in what started the move off?
Without that who knows what would of happened

 

[moomba]

I think he's going to get a you tube clip of the goal from the swamp.

Or the other 29 he's scored for us at a rate better than 1 every 2 starts. Or his performances at the Euro's. Or that pass. Or the nomination for the Ballon d'Or.

And also the worst goals per min(prem games) of any of our 4 strikers at the club since they joined
And thats with his pens included

Which is still a very acceptable goals per min (prem games) ratio, even if it is 4th best at the club.

[edit]It appears it's third best at the club and 10th best in premier league history.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Or the other 29 he's scored for us at a rate better than 1 every 2 starts. Or his performances at the Euro's. Or that pass. Or the nomination for the Ballon d'Or.

And also the worst goals per min(prem games) of any of our 4 strikers at the club since they joined
And thats with his pens included

Which is still a very acceptable goals per min (prem games) ratio, even if it is 4th best at the club.

[edit]It appears it's third best at the club and 10th best in premier league history.

That will be a lot worse now
And tevez is a lot better than marios playing for city 129 mins per goal
Like i said he's 4th choice for a reason.

 

[moomba]

And also the worst goals per min(prem games) of any of our 4 strikers at the club since they joined
And thats with his pens included

Which is still a very acceptable goals per min (prem games) ratio, even if it is 4th best at the club.

[edit]It appears it's third best at the club and 10th best in premier league history.

That will be a lot worse now
And tevez is a lot better than marios playing for city 129 mins per goal
Like i said he's 4th choice for a reason.

It would be worse, but not a lot worse. And from the link I've seen Tevez isn't in the top 10 (unsurprising as he's only really been prolific for us, and then not really for the past two seasons).

Have no problem with him being 4th choice, but do you not think it indicates that there is a bit of quality there?

 

[ZZmaestro]

He is a liability, no argument possible against that.
The problem is, if he was bagging goals for fun or improving our teamplay significantly, we could bare with it.
The situation is overwise.
Since his signing he's been averrage at most, hardly has any impact when on the pitch, his goal records the last two years speaks for itself.

In fact, i think guys like Anelka, Benzema or Drogba were already better than him at the same age and that he will never reach their level ( let's not even mention Et'oo, Raul, C. Ronaldo, Henry, Ibrahimovic, Inzaghi, Trezeguet ).

Although we will for ever be thankfull for that ultimate final pass on May 2012,
i think we should get ridd of him as soon as possible, before his market value drops down dramatically.

 

[cookster]

Can't believe this arguement is still raging but it goes to show no matter what, some blues like other football fans can't seperate emotion from reality.

- 1 goal this season
- great games counted on 1 hand in 2.5 seasons
- lack of respect for manager and other team mates

Add to this, cost between 18-24M in transfer fees and 14-22M in wages.

I could forgive all this if I'd seen any progress since joining the club, infact he's worst now than when he joined.

 

[mancity1]

There isn't as much hype about the four at Manure and while its the case both Rooney and Wellbeck can file more than one role , so can Tevez and Ballotelli if the opposition and the circumstances warranted it.

Difference is that Welbeck and Hernandez are not high maintenance and high profile players (both earn well under £100,000/week), they do not seem as demanding and Ferguson isn't as pressured to rotate because of their reputations, meaning Rooney and Van Persie have struck a lethal partnership. Our equivalent of United's strike force would be something like Aguero, Tevez, Michu, and Guidetti. Tevez and Balotelli can play different roles but how often are three of our strikers on the pitch at the same time? Only if we're desperate for goals, meaning Mancini doesn't rate their versatility highly enough to regularly have three of them on the pitch. A striker like Jovetic would probably allow us to have three on the pitch more effectively from the start because he can comfortably play in the hole or as an attacking midfielder.

Are they not high maintenance because the press portray them that way and even if they are not and as you say under 100k a week I wouldn't measure the value of a player to the squad and on match days on the amount of money he earns as that something the club and the player agent have agreed to at the time.

I very much doubt RM would even know how much each player earns and I am very happy in the knowledge he loses little sleep over how much they earn and any obligation on his behalf to " equalize the playing time " he gives each person based on " maintenance , reputation , earning capacity etc" and how much each player cost us in transfer fees.

If the lowest paid player in the squad demonstrates through deeds on the training track and the things that RM deems important that warrant a start then he will start.

The fact we have 4 highly paid strikers amongst many highly paid players in the squad mind you is not relevant when it comes to choosing how many start each week and who they are.

The fact that if Ferguson might more often than not start two of his front four and that if fit and in form its likely to be Rooney and RVP doesn't mean that peewee and Wellbeck don't feel the same way and may react the same way as the likes of Ballotelli and Dzeko if they don't start.

I would be concerned if Balotelli and Dzeko couldn't give a flying f.. if they didn't start which I am confident is not the case.

 

[Skashion]

Which is still a very acceptable goals per min (prem games) ratio, even if it is 4th best at the club.

[edit]It appears it's third best at the club and 10th best in premier league history.

Stop with yer damn facts! 10th best goalscorer in Premier League history as a 22 year old, not even good enough to be 4th striker for City...

 

[moomba]

In fact, i think guys like Anelka, Benzema or Drogba were already better than him at the same age and that he will never reach their level ( let's not even mention Et'oo, Raul, C. Ronaldo, Henry, Ibrahimovic, Inzaghi, Trezeguet ).

Drogba had 7 goals from 32 appearances at Le Mans when he was 22.
Henry had 20 from 105 for Monaco
Anelka had 34 from 121 for PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid and PSG
Benzema had 43 from 112 for Lyon
Ronaldo had 38 goals from 154 for Sporting and the rags

Only Anelka, Ronaldo and Benzema had managed a season with more than 10 goals in it.