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eversince 76 said:ChicagoBlue said:Without a serious improvement in personnel, and their use, we are never going to make it in Europe.
In addition, Pelle needs to get a fucking clue! I know 4-4-2 is his preferred set up, but he is fooling no-one by playing Silva in a slightly withdrawn role.
Tonight should have been about who was going to win the midfield battle and who was going to dominate possession. We lost both battles and the number of chances created and shots on goals demands attention.
4-5-1 is the ONLY formation to play away from home against your primary CL group opponent, unless you have an inflated sense of what you are bringing to the game. In addition, of those 5 across the middle, at least 3 of them have to be ball winners who can pass.
Tonight was a game for Navas-Fernandinho-Yaya-Silva-Milner. Nasri is not now and never will be the player to put in the midfield when we are looking to play Mano a Mano across the middle of the park. With that midfield, we would have had two-three players who could break forward in support, in addition to the overlapping wingers.
Even with all the great saves Joe made tonight, we still had a handful of chances to win the game. One of the best was in the first half when Navas broke forward and Dzeko was alone in the middle and Navas could not get it past Boateng. Another was the dead cert penalty, and Sergio's last minute chance, which could have gone in with a left foot instead of the outside of his right.
Well, it wouldn't be City if we didn't make it hard on ourselves, but now, with Roma's demolition of CSKA, we are in a battle. Matching results with Roma is now going to require getting something in Rome and scoring plenty of goals along the way. Makes the next game a huge "must win"!!
I don't agree. Pellegrini had his tactics worked out fine. We had space and changes when counter-attacking, especially in the 1st half.
The main problem was Yaya neglecting his duties in midfield. Either he got a knock during the 1st half or it was just one of those days again, you can never tell with Yaya. It however made Nasri to track back too often and that is simply not his best part. Fernandinho had a great game moreso because he had to cover for Yaya as well, letting our two central defenders exposed more than we wanted to. When Milner came on, it didn't change a thing other than a relatively decent 10 minutes we had more possession, but soon Bayern got us back where they wanted us.
Pellegrini, like any manager, is also depending on players form on the night and willing or able to execute what he wants them to do. What you can blame him for is not pulling out Yaya, but maybe he wanted to close up the shop by bringing Milner on for Nasri, as well as bringing on Kolarov for Navas with the latter doing his defensive duties admirable.
Especially in the 2nd half we showed too little in going foreward. Bayern got their reward, harsh for us as it was. If we would have managed a draw I would have said: Ok, they were the better side, but we got a reward to put in a defensive battle. Now that we lost, I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth because again I feel we showed too much respect. Or is it simply a fact that our 21man squad is not as good as theirs, and the German teams are simply better than the English ones.To be honest, I think it is a fact.
I agree that it's gonna be a battle to get through because of the Roma-result. They will now come to us looking for a draw and Italians are the best in doing so. I can see a Napoli-like game all over again. We need to make sure we win this one. Goaldifference is secundary to the reciprocal result.
As for individual performances: Hart MotM easily, Fernandinho, Navas, and Silva great, Yaya and Sagna ... well, the latter doesn't seem to be an upgrade to Richards yet.
But could he not have seen with his own eyes how shit he was and took him off?
We are not playing well in general this season and that needs to pick up starting Sunday.
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:Can someone remind me again ......Why did we let Boateng go?
jumped out of every tackle
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inbetween said:eversince 76 said:ChicagoBlue said:Without a serious improvement in personnel, and their use, we are never going to make it in Europe.
In addition, Pelle needs to get a fucking clue! I know 4-4-2 is his preferred set up, but he is fooling no-one by playing Silva in a slightly withdrawn role.
Tonight should have been about who was going to win the midfield battle and who was going to dominate possession. We lost both battles and the number of chances created and shots on goals demands attention.
4-5-1 is the ONLY formation to play away from home against your primary CL group opponent, unless you have an inflated sense of what you are bringing to the game. In addition, of those 5 across the middle, at least 3 of them have to be ball winners who can pass.
Tonight was a game for Navas-Fernandinho-Yaya-Silva-Milner. Nasri is not now and never will be the player to put in the midfield when we are looking to play Mano a Mano across the middle of the park. With that midfield, we would have had two-three players who could break forward in support, in addition to the overlapping wingers.
Even with all the great saves Joe made tonight, we still had a handful of chances to win the game. One of the best was in the first half when Navas broke forward and Dzeko was alone in the middle and Navas could not get it past Boateng. Another was the dead cert penalty, and Sergio's last minute chance, which could have gone in with a left foot instead of the outside of his right.
Well, it wouldn't be City if we didn't make it hard on ourselves, but now, with Roma's demolition of CSKA, we are in a battle. Matching results with Roma is now going to require getting something in Rome and scoring plenty of goals along the way. Makes the next game a huge "must win"!!
I don't agree. Pellegrini had his tactics worked out fine. We had space and changes when counter-attacking, especially in the 1st half.
The main problem was Yaya neglecting his duties in midfield. Either he got a knock during the 1st half or it was just one of those days again, you can never tell with Yaya. It however made Nasri to track back too often and that is simply not his best part. Fernandinho had a great game moreso because he had to cover for Yaya as well, letting our two central defenders exposed more than we wanted to. When Milner came on, it didn't change a thing other than a relatively decent 10 minutes we had more possession, but soon Bayern got us back where they wanted us.
Pellegrini, like any manager, is also depending on players form on the night and willing or able to execute what he wants them to do. What you can blame him for is not pulling out Yaya, but maybe he wanted to close up the shop by bringing Milner on for Nasri, as well as bringing on Kolarov for Navas with the latter doing his defensive duties admirable.
Especially in the 2nd half we showed too little in going foreward. Bayern got their reward, harsh for us as it was. If we would have managed a draw I would have said: Ok, they were the better side, but we got a reward to put in a defensive battle. Now that we lost, I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth because again I feel we showed too much respect. Or is it simply a fact that our 21man squad is not as good as theirs, and the German teams are simply better than the English ones.To be honest, I think it is a fact.
I agree that it's gonna be a battle to get through because of the Roma-result. They will now come to us looking for a draw and Italians are the best in doing so. I can see a Napoli-like game all over again. We need to make sure we win this one. Goaldifference is secundary to the reciprocal result.
As for individual performances: Hart MotM easily, Fernandinho, Navas, and Silva great, Yaya and Sagna ... well, the latter doesn't seem to be an upgrade to Richards yet.
Don't forget Pellegrini wasn't even the manager last night. Sky did try a hatchet job on a few 'messages' that seemed to get through though!
Agree. One positive from last night was how well Fernandinho played, it was great to see him back to somewhere near his best. Thought Sagna was ok defensively but offered nothing going forward.
As for Ya Ya.......have commented on his thread.
Still, 5 games to go and we are good enough to win them all if playing at our best against Roma and Bayern
Blue2112 said:thenabster said:Man I'm sooo pissed that every year we keep stuttering in the Champions League. It's like every year it's our first year in the competition. When are we going to bring our Premier league dominance into the Champions League ?
When we have the self belief to believe that we can beat Europe's best. I'm feeling this competition is on a repeat loop every season, predictable fucking group draw, predictable performances and predictable results. Remind me why I find it a dull and boring competition and give me the League Cup game next week all day long.
only the players can change that, we were doing ok, until we started giving the ball away to cheaply in the last 10-15 minutes and you know where it ended.
the roma games are pivotal as we all knew
moomba said:We've won five and lost two of our last seven group games. Both to one of the best three teams in the world. I think people are getting a bit carried away with our champions league form.
that a good way of spinning it
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An excellent post Chicago Blue. You hit the nail on the head about Silva's position last night and our need to play 5 in the midfield.ChicagoBlue said:Without a serious improvement in personnel, and their use, we are never going to make it in Europe.
In addition, Pelle needs to get a fucking clue! I know 4-4-2 is his preferred set up, but he is fooling no-one by playing Silva in a slightly withdrawn role.
Tonight should have been about who was going to win the midfield battle and who was going to dominate possession. We lost both battles and the number of chances created and shots on goals demands attention.
4-5-1 is the ONLY formation to play away from home against your primary CL group opponent, unless you have an inflated sense of what you are bringing to the game. In addition, of those 5 across the middle, at least 3 of them have to be ball winners who can pass.
Tonight was a game for Navas-Fernandinho-Yaya-Silva-Milner. Nasri is not now and never will be the player to put in the midfield when we are looking to play Mano a Mano across the middle of the park. With that midfield, we would have had two-three players who could break forward in support, in addition to the overlapping wingers.
Even with all the great saves Joe made tonight, we still had a handful of chances to win the game. One of the best was in the first half when Navas broke forward and Dzeko was alone in the middle and Navas could not get it past Boateng. Another was the dead cert penalty, and Sergio's last minute chance, which could have gone in with a left foot instead of the outside of his right.
Well, it wouldn't be City if we didn't make it hard on ourselves, but now, with Roma's demolition of CSKA, we are in a battle. Matching results with Roma is now going to require getting something in Rome and scoring plenty of goals along the way. Makes the next game a huge "must win"!!