Ricster
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squirtyflower said:
Not on pre season performances they shouldn't. You cant live in the past and say Ireland had 1 good season 2 years ago or that Bellamy had 1 great game at the swamp and another at Stamford bridge.
Bellamy's been banned from the club
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Not on pre season performances they shouldn't. You cant live in the past and say Ireland had 1 good season 2 years ago or that Bellamy had 1 great game at the swamp and another at Stamford bridge.
Prestwich_Blue
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No I wasn't implying it was. But if a manager fell out with a lot of players then you could construe it that way.moomba said:
squirtyflower
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bellamy's even greater than we thought then if he got all his 12 goals and 10 assists in just two games against the first and second clubs in the prem, away from homeRicster said:
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blue dallas
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thats the funniest bunch of crap ive ever read.Didsbury Dave said:
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nick.nikky said:
Stoning is Barbaric. This is England. We prefer a good old fashioned twitch-hunt (sorry, witch-hunt).
here, allow me. (you have to use the whole URL)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwE0UnmkYMo[/youtube]
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blue dallas said:
how come tevez and mancini are still here why hasnt one of them gone
and what did the sheike say to his agent "who the fuck are you and what are you doing here"
43 pages on Bellamy being a twat!
Lets get it right Bellamy was always a twat
When he came to us he was our twat and that made it alright
Now hes going hes a twat again.
My problem is that this situation has been poorly handled from top to bottom.
Now I'm sure, as was said before, that Khaldoon doesn't micro manage the club - In fact I doubt if we get more attention than a half hour slot in one of his monthly meetings.
The way we bought Robhinio, the way we got rid of Hughes, the issue of Mancini as dead man walking, the way we've handled getting rid of players and the way, at times, we release information.
These have not been handled greatly so whatever the chain of command from Manager up someone is not doing a great job so maybe another head will roll this season?
Lets get it right Bellamy was always a twat
When he came to us he was our twat and that made it alright
Now hes going hes a twat again.
My problem is that this situation has been poorly handled from top to bottom.
Now I'm sure, as was said before, that Khaldoon doesn't micro manage the club - In fact I doubt if we get more attention than a half hour slot in one of his monthly meetings.
The way we bought Robhinio, the way we got rid of Hughes, the issue of Mancini as dead man walking, the way we've handled getting rid of players and the way, at times, we release information.
These have not been handled greatly so whatever the chain of command from Manager up someone is not doing a great job so maybe another head will roll this season?
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Got carried away with the post below, written in response to people seeming to have a dig at Mancini. Was going to be a brief one but it just kept on and on. Anyway, f**k it, I've written it now so I'll post it.
You could, but I wouldn't in Mancini's case. He received a real hospital pass when he took over here last Christmas.
This manager, who'd spent his entire 30-year (give or take) career in Italian football save for a month featuring four games at the end of his playing career, was brought in to take charge of a squad assembled by a manager with a diametrically opposed approach. His methods were bound to be questioned by the squad.
The fact that so many, including - as is well documented - the players, suspected he was only minding the shop until summer made his job extremely difficult. Remember Kevin Keegan at City, whose last season was marred by the fact that everyone knew that he wouldn't be at the club beyond the following season. Even Ferguson, with all the success he'd had, couldn't continue to pick up results at anything like his normal level when he'd said he was retiring at the end of the season. The manner of Mancini's appointment completely undermined his authority from the start.
It's all very well to say he should be professional and mend fences now, but why should he? He's in a very, very high pressure job and is responsible for the results of this squad. He needs, as far as he can, to have players he can trust implicitly. I've hypothesised that he can't have the necessary degree of faith in players who've made perfectly clear that they can't stand him, so he wants them out as long as he thinks he can replace them adequately. Perfectly understandable, if so, as I said.
Not in the least do I think Mancini's perfect: I have reservations about some of his tactical thinking and his man management. But given that, when push came to shove, Mourinho preferred to go elsewhere (always eminently foreseeable, in my view), Mancini's record last season here was, to my mind, creditable - not brilliant, but very respectable in the circumstances. This coupled with a trophy winning pedigree at three Italian clubs, makes him worth a shot.
I certainly see no one else who'd realistically have been available to us this summer whom I'd regard as a better bet for the task in hand at our club. Would we be better off having enticed O'Neill to leave Villa early or lured Capello from our national team? Or should we have kept the former manager whose entire prior club managerial career consisted of having overachieved on relatively meagre resources at Blackburn? That was a worthy achievement, certainly, but ultimately a very different kind of challenge from the one offered by our job at this time.
Harping on, as many seem to, about Mancini's failure to deal with unusually testing circumstances which won't now be replicated is to my mind missing the point. As Didsbury Dave said, the slate is clean. September is when we start to judge him: he's had his bedding in period in English football, he'll have his own squad, and so there are no excuses. He's under a lot of pressure, but then he's paid to deal with that and is certainly used to it: after all, he was previously at a club where they've had 23 managers (two taking charge twice) since 1982 and only Trapattoni lasted longer in that time than Mancini. There are no excuses now.
He may not succeed, but I hope he will and I reckon he has a chance. Whatever, we'll know soon enough whether he's just a very good Italian coach not suited to management outside his homeland or whether he offers a bit more than that.
You could, but I wouldn't in Mancini's case. He received a real hospital pass when he took over here last Christmas.
This manager, who'd spent his entire 30-year (give or take) career in Italian football save for a month featuring four games at the end of his playing career, was brought in to take charge of a squad assembled by a manager with a diametrically opposed approach. His methods were bound to be questioned by the squad.
The fact that so many, including - as is well documented - the players, suspected he was only minding the shop until summer made his job extremely difficult. Remember Kevin Keegan at City, whose last season was marred by the fact that everyone knew that he wouldn't be at the club beyond the following season. Even Ferguson, with all the success he'd had, couldn't continue to pick up results at anything like his normal level when he'd said he was retiring at the end of the season. The manner of Mancini's appointment completely undermined his authority from the start.
It's all very well to say he should be professional and mend fences now, but why should he? He's in a very, very high pressure job and is responsible for the results of this squad. He needs, as far as he can, to have players he can trust implicitly. I've hypothesised that he can't have the necessary degree of faith in players who've made perfectly clear that they can't stand him, so he wants them out as long as he thinks he can replace them adequately. Perfectly understandable, if so, as I said.
Not in the least do I think Mancini's perfect: I have reservations about some of his tactical thinking and his man management. But given that, when push came to shove, Mourinho preferred to go elsewhere (always eminently foreseeable, in my view), Mancini's record last season here was, to my mind, creditable - not brilliant, but very respectable in the circumstances. This coupled with a trophy winning pedigree at three Italian clubs, makes him worth a shot.
I certainly see no one else who'd realistically have been available to us this summer whom I'd regard as a better bet for the task in hand at our club. Would we be better off having enticed O'Neill to leave Villa early or lured Capello from our national team? Or should we have kept the former manager whose entire prior club managerial career consisted of having overachieved on relatively meagre resources at Blackburn? That was a worthy achievement, certainly, but ultimately a very different kind of challenge from the one offered by our job at this time.
Harping on, as many seem to, about Mancini's failure to deal with unusually testing circumstances which won't now be replicated is to my mind missing the point. As Didsbury Dave said, the slate is clean. September is when we start to judge him: he's had his bedding in period in English football, he'll have his own squad, and so there are no excuses. He's under a lot of pressure, but then he's paid to deal with that and is certainly used to it: after all, he was previously at a club where they've had 23 managers (two taking charge twice) since 1982 and only Trapattoni lasted longer in that time than Mancini. There are no excuses now.
He may not succeed, but I hope he will and I reckon he has a chance. Whatever, we'll know soon enough whether he's just a very good Italian coach not suited to management outside his homeland or whether he offers a bit more than that.
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SSN are now reporting that Bellamy is set to return to training at City tomorrow...