Brandon Barker

[Neville Kneville]

Personally I don't give a toss.
It would be great but it doesn't keep me awake at night.
Furthermore what if they weren't good enough but are in the team because they were Manc, nah!

Except they wouldn't be.

They would be in the team because they are really fucking good.

And that's the problem, are they good enough now?

According to the club the answers no, and although, like everybody else, I'd love to see them all step up now, the manager and the club in general don't think they're quite ready yet.

I'll trust the club/managers opinion on this over impatient fans any day of the week.

That's fine.

Both you & 'the club' can continue believing that none of our kids are good enough to play a cup tie vs Sheffield Wed & pat each other on the back. But have you asked 'the club ' ?

Does Vieira agree with you ? How about Txiki, & Marwood ? Do Pablo Zabaleta & Vincent Kompany both think that Brandon Barker & Celina would struggle vs Sheffield Wednesday or do they think they would have done ok?

Or is it in fact the case that, like the rest of us, you have no idea at all what 'the club' think & have nothing to go on but that fact that 'the manager' didn't trust to select them ?

Which would then put you in no more insightful position than the rest of us, & you would be free again to use your own judgement on what you thought of said players, rather than abandoning using your own brain & trusting 'the club' to do it for you.

Just to add, if you have total trust in managers, Allison flogged Barnes & Owen & replaced them with shit & Kendall, Reid wiped out the best youith system in the country in the space of about 2 seasons.

 

[Centurions]

Except they wouldn't be.

They would be in the team because they are really fucking good.

And that's the problem, are they good enough now?

According to the club the answers no, and although, like everybody else, I'd love to see them all step up now, the manager and the club in general don't think they're quite ready yet.

I'll trust the club/managers opinion on this over impatient fans any day of the week.

That's fine.

Both you & 'the club' can continue believing that none of our kids are good enough to play a cup tie vs Sheffield Wed & pat each other on the back. But have you asked 'the club ' ?

Does Vieira agree with you ? How about Txiki, & Marwood ? Do Pablo Zabaleta & Vincent Kompany both think that Brandon Barker & Celina would struggle vs Sheffield Wednesday or do they think they would have done ok?

Or is it in fact the case that, like the rest of us, you have no idea at all what 'the club' think & have nothing to go on but that fact that 'the manager' didn't trust to select them ?

Which would then put you in no more insightful position than the rest of us, & you would be free again to use your own judgement on what you thought of said players, rather than abandoning using your own brain & trusting 'the club' to do it for you.

Just to add, if you have total trust in managers, Allison flogged Barnes & Owen & replaced them with shit & Kendall, Reid wiped out the best youith system in the country in the space of about 2 seasons.

Have you asked the club? No, but if anyone else has an opinion (note the use of the word "opinion") you just go off on one.

Sometimes you're a good poster Nev, sometimes you just spew pure shite.
When you're in this sort of mood it's a waste of time talking to you so I'll just say cheerio for now bud.

 

[Centurions]

I think it's a good thing that they are being brought in very slowly. get them on the bench and in the dressing room. Let them listen to the advice that the management staff are giving the players and the way the players react. If they are playing themselves they can't concentrate on anything else. Let these experiences soak in to as many as we can afford to take up a sub place and eventually they'll get their chance on the pitch. All part of the big picture imo.

Spot on I believe, it must be a huge step for them just to join the squad in the dressing room and to sit on that bench and learn.

 

[MC ID]

Except they wouldn't be.

They would be in the team because they are really fucking good.

And that's the problem, are they good enough now?

According to the club the answers no, and although, like everybody else, I'd love to see them all step up now, the manager and the club in general don't think they're quite ready yet.

I'll trust the club/managers opinion on this over impatient fans any day of the week.

That's fine.

Both you & 'the club' can continue believing that none of our kids are good enough to play a cup tie vs Sheffield Wed & pat each other on the back. But have you asked 'the club ' ?

Does Vieira agree with you ? How about Txiki, & Marwood ? Do Pablo Zabaleta & Vincent Kompany both think that Brandon Barker & Celina would struggle vs Sheffield Wednesday or do they think they would have done ok?

Or is it in fact the case that, like the rest of us, you have no idea at all what 'the club' think & have nothing to go on but that fact that 'the manager' didn't trust to select them ?

Which would then put you in no more insightful position than the rest of us, & you would be free again to use your own judgement on what you thought of said players, rather than abandoning using your own brain & trusting 'the club' to do it for you.

Just to add, if you have total trust in managers, Allison flogged Barnes & Owen & replaced them with shit & Kendall, Reid wiped out the best youith system in the country in the space of about 2 seasons.

Very true, beyond knowing the Manager doesn't trust the youngsters based on his selections we have no idea of the larger view the club holds, we're all just speculating based on opinions (you know, like what forums do).

This makes me think that Pellergrini knows he's not here for the long term, or rather his mandate has been to make the first team as good a unit as possible and bringing through the youth is the next guys task.

In any case, I'm of the opinion that with a kid or two lining up against Sheff/Newcastle etc we'd of seen a better performance from them than our first team squad gave, the senior players certainly didn't feel pumped up for the match and it showed, a youngster would of changed the dynamic of the match (the senior players too wouldn't of played so badly too I reckon, knowing they couldn't sleepwalk through). I think this is a main part of the debate, people reckon that despite how poorly we've seen the first team that it somehow means that our academy members are going to be worse when in fact they'd likely put in one of the best performances based on what we've seen so far in these cup runs.

But anyhoo, it looks certain that youngsters won't really be intergrated until pellergrini has moved on, this isn't a slight on the guy because holy fuck he's made us incredible. Nor does this mean I want rid of him, but as the T&B say they like managers to naturally move on after a few years and I think Pellergrini has accomplished everything they'd asked of him in his time here.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

barker should have at least been on the bench for the cup games. Pelle's record on youth isn't great and I feel barker needs to move up a level, and join the first team squad, as i dont want to see a chelsea scenario, where they are good enough, but never play.

but there doesn't look like theres much hope, when there is only one young player on the bench against sheffiled wednesday. I reckon only a change of manager ( dont want) would give our young players more chances. Im sick of the "if their good enough" argument, we won't know if there good enough unless they are given a chance. If we had an 18 year old luke shaw in our eds team would he be given a chance ? the answer is no. Also they can develop to be good enough in our first team, we can't expect them to be world class straight away though. As we will never see any young players and may swell scrap the whole thing.

our team is crying out for a gerrard ( local lad) type player and I believe barker can be that person.

You were doing well until the last sentence
So what the league champions need is a local lad in order to kick on?
Sure

how in anyway is what I've said wrong, especially the last bit. It would be great to have a local lad in our team. I just think it would be great for a local lad in our team, we are missing that kind of player right now.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

You were doing well until the last sentence
So what the league champions need is a local lad in order to kick on?
Sure

Absolutely.

It would be fantastic for the club to get a few Manchester lads playing for City again.

Personally I don't give a toss.
It would be great but it doesn't keep me awake at night.
Furthermore what if they weren't good enough but are in the team because they were Manc, nah!

But no one said that, of course they have to be good enough, your telling me we didn't have one young player good enough to play against sheffield wednesday ?? or newcastle. The very same newcastle who played a 17 year old upfront and was one of there best players. Theres nothing wrong with wanting mancunians in a manchester team or given at least some kind of chance.

 

[twosips]

It'd be absolutely mint to have a young Manc lad come through. I can't see why anyone would disagree?

United fans loved Scholes, Nevilles, Welbeck etc cos they were all local so felt more like 'one of them' and I'd definitely love that with the likes of Glendon, Barker and Bryan.

 

[squirtyflower]

Absolutely.

It would be fantastic for the club to get a few Manchester lads playing for City again.

Personally I don't give a toss.
It would be great but it doesn't keep me awake at night.
Furthermore what if they weren't good enough but are in the team because they were Manc, nah!

But no one said that, of course they have to be good enough, your telling me we didn't have one young player good enough to play against sheffield wednesday ?? or newcastle. The very same newcastle who played a 17 year old upfront and was one of there best players. Theres nothing wrong with wanting mancunians in a manchester team or given at least some kind of chance.

Well actually you did post that
You inferred what this team needed was a 'local lad'
I said what the team needed was great players

it's an absolute bonus if they are local

As regards Barker, he's not ready IMO, and has even been subbed off not long into games for not following the game plan, or so it would seem.

 

[squirtyflower]

It'd be absolutely mint to have a young Manc lad come through. I can't see why anyone would disagree?

United fans loved Scholes, Nevilles, Welbeck etc cos they were all local so felt more like 'one of them' and I'd definitely love that with the likes of Glendon, Barker and Bryan.

So they don't eulogise over Best, charlton and Law then?

Or called Cantona God?

I must be mistaken then.

 

[Neville Kneville]

And that's the problem, are they good enough now?

According to the club the answers no, and although, like everybody else, I'd love to see them all step up now, the manager and the club in general don't think they're quite ready yet.

I'll trust the club/managers opinion on this over impatient fans any day of the week.

That's fine.

Both you & 'the club' can continue believing that none of our kids are good enough to play a cup tie vs Sheffield Wed & pat each other on the back. But have you asked 'the club ' ?

Does Vieira agree with you ? How about Txiki, & Marwood ? Do Pablo Zabaleta & Vincent Kompany both think that Brandon Barker & Celina would struggle vs Sheffield Wednesday or do they think they would have done ok?

Or is it in fact the case that, like the rest of us, you have no idea at all what 'the club' think & have nothing to go on but that fact that 'the manager' didn't trust to select them ?

Which would then put you in no more insightful position than the rest of us, & you would be free again to use your own judgement on what you thought of said players, rather than abandoning using your own brain & trusting 'the club' to do it for you.

Just to add, if you have total trust in managers, Allison flogged Barnes & Owen & replaced them with shit & Kendall, Reid wiped out the best youith system in the country in the space of about 2 seasons.

Have you asked the club? No, but if anyone else has an opinion (note the use of the word "opinion") you just go off on one.

Sometimes you're a good poster Nev, sometimes you just spew pure shite.
When you're in this sort of mood it's a waste of time talking to you so I'll just say cheerio for now bud.

Oh do fucking give over.

He's the one belittling people's opinions not me. First of all making out people are suggesting playing kids purely because they are from Manchester, when it's obviously not what anyone has said, & you suggesting that what we are saying has no value because 'the club' doesn't agree, when you have no idea if 'the club' agrees with the manager.

Which part of my post doesn't make sense & deserves to be called complete shite ?