Bring Back Joe Hart

[Magicpole]

If he comes back pep will be finished there's only 1, person in charge he won't change his mind

Great men and great managers admit when they are wrong and put their ego to the side.

I used to work with an old guy who said.

The man that never makes a mistake never made anything.

I think it was a mistake too. Sorting it by bringing him home and holding his hands up would be the true mark if a man of courage.

 

[blueparrot]

Great men and great managers admit when they are wrong and put their ego to the side.

I used to work with an old guy who said.

The man that never makes a mistake never made anything.

I think it was a mistake too. Sorting it by bringing him home and holding his hands up would be the true mark if a man of courage.

This is a bring back Hart thread, so it's about Joe not his replacement. It wasn't a mistake to let Hart go, it was done for very good football reasons, for Pep to play his way we needed a different keeper. Whether Bravo is the right replacement or not is for the Bravo thread nothing to do with whether Hart should come back. And for the very reasons he was let go, they haven't changed and won't change so we won't be bringing Hart back and nor should we.

 

[blue by birth]

Bravo needs to have more protection from the defenders as we allow to many chances in a 1 on 1 situation.
Yet Bravo needs to do much better at narrowing down the angles and making an effort to save shots.
Willie in goal tonight might be a good option in that it takes Bravo out of the firing line.
I don't particularly rate Bravo as a keeper but I do understand what Pep is trying to do with playing out from the back,yet saying that Bravo needs to be quicker off his line and play like a sweeper keeper.

 

[blueparrot]

yet saying that Bravo needs to be quicker off his line and play like a sweeper keeper.

Do agree with this, and until his sending off he was doing this, don't know whether he has been instructed to stay back or he has lost a bit of confidence.

 

[Magicpole]

This is a bring back Hart thread, so it's about Joe not his replacement. It wasn't a mistake to let Hart go, it was done for very good football reasons, for Pep to play his way we needed a different keeper. Whether Bravo is the right replacement or not is for the Bravo thread nothing to do with whether Hart should come back. And for the very reasons he was let go, they haven't changed and won't change so we won't be bringing Hart back and nor should we.

I think you are right on how it will pan out. Do you not think Joe could develop that side of his game?

Have you any keeper in mind you think Pep could bring in that fulfils his requirements?

 

[SWP's back]

That's depressing familiar this season.

 

[SWP's back]

You didn't answer my question,all kinds of dross make it into their national teams that's why i never judge anyone by their international performances.I am talking about bravo and not joe,showing video's of joe doesn't make bravo any better,you are deflecting,what do your eyes tell you about bravo in a city shirt?

It's a thread about bringing Joe back and thus comparisons between the two and you don't think a video of Joe is useful? Shocking.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Agree. I thought King's Saturday was his fault, fault being harsh, saves it, it becomes World Class.

It would have been a fantastic save if he'd kept it out and he nearly did.

I've just watched that second goal again very carefully and when the throw is taken, Silva is standing just off King and Kolarov is marking Slimani. The ball comes in and Fernando challenges the Leicester player , who just wins out. Silva has moved towards the ball and left King free while Slimani moves back a couple of yards, Kolarov doesn't go with him and no one else picks him up. So he picks up the second ball and knocks it back to King, who hasn't moved from where he was when the throw is taken. If Silva had stayed where he was at that time and just kept an eye on King, he'd struggle to get that shot away or it would be blocked by Silva.

And the goal Burnley scored was another where we failed to pick up an opposition player just outside the box at a set piece and he's got to the second ball virtually unchallenged. It's something we're very poor at generally.

 

[SWP's back]

I've told you, and tried to explain my point. I don't think Bravo deserves the shit he's getting and fans and 'pundits' seem desperate to find fault. They have done from minute one.
The video of Hart is not a dig at Hart, it's to show the difference between a 1vs 1 and what Bravo is facing.
People are trying to find fault in Bravo.

I know you like Joe, I do to. This isn't a dig at him. But below is a goal we conceded from Victor Moses. Hart isn't really at fault and isn't really blame. In fact Proven says he has no chance. Had that been Bravo he would have been blamed. This is my Pont, people are blaming Bravo with no context and far too easily.



Can you name me this dross international tournament winning captains?

Bravo is a very good keeper, due to an abysmal defence he's being hung out to dry. Every goal we concede is being levelled at him.

I'm not looking to find fault in him, so I don't blame him for all our goals. I think his handling has been excellent. He catches a high percentage of crosses and he uses the ball well. Even when it goes long, it's often to a man.
I don't think he's been anywhere as bad as some want him to be.

Great balanced post.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I was very disappointed that Joe didn't get a chance under Pep but now the decision has been made, I really think as a fan base we need to move on and regardless of what people think of Bravo, we need to get behind him. He's going to be our keeper for at the very least the rest of this season and in the odd away match I have been to, it has been pretty obvious to me that a fair number of supporters are not giving him much support at all. I don't think a thread like this is terribly helpful. What I would say is that if Joe was given no chance to adapt then I wish someone like Kolarov, who now seems to be just twatting the ball up the pitch and not trying to pass it out would be treated in the same ruthless manner.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Great men and great managers admit when they are wrong and put their ego to the side.

I used to work with an old guy who said.

The man that never makes a mistake never made anything.

I think it was a mistake too. Sorting it by bringing him home and holding his hands up would be the true mark if a man of courage.

Some of you just don't get it. Even if Pep walked tomorrow, Hart would not be coming back. Fact. Period, End of or whatever other of those stupid phrases people use.

 

[kaz7]

It's a thread about bringing Joe back and thus comparisons between the two and you don't think a video of Joe is useful? Shocking.

Perhaps because you are posting them all the time to show joe's mistakes,try showing all his one on one saves and compare them to bravo in a city shirt then we can talk

 

[casualdeyna]

Hart isn't ever coming back but I can't believe anyone would try and defend Bravo's performances for us so far, he has been awful.

Not bothered what he has done or achieved with Barca or his national team, I care about what he is, or isn't, doing for City.

He is supposed to be a "sweeper keeper", yet his decision making of when to come out and when to stay has been comical. His shot stopping has been inconsistent, and I am being very kind to him saying that.

Yes I agree we don't have any full backs and we are poor at the back, so agree what is in front of him doesn't fill him full of confidence, however it works both ways, you could argue our defence has no faith in him. The whole situation is a mess.

We should have prioritised full backs years ago, and I am more concerned at our defence than our keeper. Getting on his back won't improve things (I'm sure he will have heard some people's opinions on him during games this season, I have) so we need to back him for 90 mins every game, but not sure how anyone can defend Bravo so far in a City shirt.

I share my thoughts though on this forum, not loud enough for him to hear especially at away games. Wish the fans who you can clearly hear yelling at him that he is "effing this or that" would have half a brain to think what that is actually going to achieve.

 

[SWP's back]

Perhaps because you are posting them all the time to show joe's mistakes,try showing all his one on one saves and compare them to bravo in a city shirt then we can talk

I've posted two, both last weekend so chill your hyperbole.

They aren't showing mistakes either, they are showing him conceding goals last season which he got no blame for. But they are identical to goals Bravo is conceding and being blamed for.

You've had that explained to you and still don't get it.

 

[Rolee]

It would have been a fantastic save if he'd kept it out and he nearly did.

I've just watched that second goal again very carefully and when the throw is taken, Silva is standing just off King and Kolarov is marking Slimani. The ball comes in and Fernando challenges the Leicester player , who just wins out. Silva has moved towards the ball and left King free while Slimani moves back a couple of yards, Kolarov doesn't go with him and no one else picks him up. So he picks up the second ball and knocks it back to King, who hasn't moved from where he was when the throw is taken. If Silva had stayed where he was at that time and just kept an eye on King, he'd struggle to get that shot away or it would be blocked by Silva.

And the goal Burnley scored was another where we failed to pick up an opposition player just outside the box at a set piece and he's got to the second ball virtually unchallenged. It's something we're very poor at generally.

Completely agree with your analysis of that goal, just to add Silva's attempt at w block was pathetic, he just turned his back and jumped without any real intention of getting a block on the ball.

 

[blueinsa]

Great men and great managers admit when they are wrong and put their ego to the side.

I used to work with an old guy who said.

The man that never makes a mistake never made anything.

I think it was a mistake too. Sorting it by bringing him home and holding his hands up would be the true mark if a man of courage.

He isn't coming back, ever and not too sure why as a Celtic fan you are either arsed or qualified to comment?

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Great men and great managers admit when they are wrong and put their ego to the side.

I used to work with an old guy who said.

The man that never makes a mistake never made anything.

I think it was a mistake too. Sorting it by bringing him home and holding his hands up would be the true mark if a man of courage.

I'm pretty sure that Pep doesn't think that he made the wrong decision though - and Joe isn't his keeper of choice.

It's you who thinks Hart should be here , not Pep .

 

[SWP's back]

Great men and great managers admit when they are wrong and put their ego to the side.

I used to work with an old guy who said.

The man that never makes a mistake never made anything.

I think it was a mistake too. Sorting it by bringing him home and holding his hands up would be the true mark if a man of courage.

It wasn't a mistake to get rid of him and I think he'd have gone whoever came in.

 

[kaz7]

I've posted two, both last weekend so chill your hyperbole.

They aren't showing mistakes either, they are showing him conceding goals last season which he got no blame for. But they are identical to goals Bravo is conceding and being blamed for.

You've had that explained to you and still don't get it.

You have posted all his "mistakes" at Torino as well,it serves no purpose to what bravo is doing here,do you honestly think he is doing all the things he is here to do well or not?

 

[route46]

Showing Harts fuck ups from past seasons is pointless........ there is not a keeper on the planet who doesn't make mistakes

Bravo has been at fault for goals
Utd
Sent off Barca
Chelsea 2nd
Leicester 2nd

Should have done better with
Boro goal
Palace goal

Should have at least got a hand to Chelsea first and something on the third goal

All that in the space of 3 month and fuck all saves apart from one at Barca and one at Swansea