Bring the Noise

[Greggery Peccary]

Casuals wear casual clothing. I’ve noticed more casuals (certainly in my group of lads) don’t want drums, and we react to the game naturally, we watch the game, and we like our proper songs with words.

Ultras wear those “£2.99 each if you buy 250” t-shirts with heavy metal style lettering on the front notifying their band geek name. Some wear those stupid face mask/balaclavas and take pictures of themselves with the hashtag ‘#nofacenoname’ bollocks. Love grouping round a drummer boy and jump and clap around in unison, barely watching a second of the game.

Haha...I’d like that twice if I could. Exactly my feelings on it, especially the fashion, the fucking bad scruffs.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Creating an atmosphere is being made out to be more difficult than it is.

All that needs to happen is that when a song starts somewhere, people just need to join in with it. Like they do in the big games, where, the atmosphere at the Etihad can be unreal, even without a proper vocal stand. Every good atmosphere we have show that we don’t need any of these drums and daft songs.

There’s just a bit too much complacency when it’s not a big game around our ground because we don’t have a proper vocal stand to start things off in a large area, the rest of the ground can’t always make out what’s being sung when it’s right next to the away fans. It’s like putting two radios next to each other on different radio stations and trying to make it out.

That’s all that lacking at City. We don’t need anything else than just a bigger area away from the away fans where songs start off so more of the stadium can hear what’s being sung properly for everyone to join in with.

I know lads who’ve stopped going who’d come back if we got a proper stand.

 

[Squidward]

I’m only repeating what these fellas said to us. Don’t go often enough to foreign grounds to have a more in-depth insight. But I know that every visiting fan I’ve ever spoken to from overseas thinks our place is amazing on Euro nights. That’s not, to be absolutely clear, any sort of our ground is better than yours type of shite, just observations I’ve come across. I’m sure there are the same stories about your place, OT etc.
I’m interested in how you distinguish casual and ultra. The former was obviously borne out of fashion and the like, whereas the latter is more rooted in almost paramilitary essence as I see it. Far less spontaneity and just following a rule book - that’s not for me to be honest. But we already have a fair percentage of it in the game so there’s a happy compromise, I suppose.

Ultras culture and casual culture have the same aim; to outdo their competitors. Every Ultras group in Europe like Casuals, want to be known as the best there is in their department.

Ultras culture is simple, supporting the team visually with colour/displays/pyro and vocally with raucous noise.

Casual culture in my opinion, is the bragging rights outside the ground. Who’s more feared? What mob has done over another mob on their own patch? The subculture of the casual scene used to be the clobber element of it, but that’s gone. There are people who run about in designer gear who aren’t casuals.

The two of them go hand in hand in Europe, Ultras basically are the casuals outside of the stadium.

On the last point you made, the rule book doesn’t have to be followed. But the mentality has to be followed.

Stewards telling you to sit down? Imagine that in Europe? They’d get hit over the head with a pint of beer.

 

[Squidward]

There was a German poster on here once (can’t remember which team he supported) who said that a lot of fans in the other stands other than the one that sings in Germany, are utterly sick to death of all those same songs droaning on and on all the time.

Many of them are so rigid with it that they sing the same set of songs for the same amount of time for every single game. No variation, just “woah oah oh oh woah wooooooooaaaaah oh oh oah” for half an hour, then “ der de de de derrrrr deerrrrr der” for half an hour, and then “Na na na aaa na naaaaa na na la allaaaaa la la laaaaaaa” for half an hour”.

Accompanied by incessant *bang ba bang bang, bang bang bang bang* and clapping like they’re at a Take That concert throughout.

Then they all go home.

It’s utter shite!

Every single decent English atmosphere beats an Ultras band geek atmosphere. We just need more consistency because they’re not every game.

There are a number of decent Italian fan bases who don’t use a drum.

I think the points you make are fair enough.

In my opinion I’d actually agree with the German. The German scene is overrated and they have the same songs that all teams sing.

I don’t think an exact carbon copy of Germans is required.

Maybe it is being over complicated. And all that is required is putting all the like minded supporters in the same area to get the songs going.

 

[Greggery Peccary]

Ultras culture and casual culture have the same aim; to outdo their competitors. Every Ultras group in Europe like Casuals, want to be known as the best there is in their department.

Ultras culture is simple, supporting the team visually with colour/displays/pyro and vocally with raucous noise.

Casual culture in my opinion, is the bragging rights outside the ground. Who’s more feared? What mob has done over another mob on their own patch? The subculture of the casual scene used to be the clobber element of it, but that’s gone. There are people who run about in designer gear who aren’t casuals.

The two of them go hand in hand in Europe, Ultras basically are the casuals outside of the stadium.

On the last point you made, the rule book doesn’t have to be followed. But the mentality has to be followed.

Stewards telling you to sit down? Imagine that in Europe? They’d get hit over the head with a pint of beer.

I get what you’re saying but for me there’s a clear dichotomy between what happens inside the ground and outside. I agree on the bragging rights thing if you’re talking about the scrapping, however I’m only on about what happens inside in terms of crowd participation and content. The outside is another debate altogether if you get me?
The gradual introduction of rail seating will make a huge difference in atmosphere in grounds, it can’t happen quickly enough in my book.

 

[mancityvstoke]

We were proper scruffy ****s in the 70's.

Steel toe cap work boots and a donkey jacket......beat that you fannys

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

I sit at the back of the South Stand level 1 singing section (next to the away fans) and i would gladly have a drum to keep a rythm going to keep people singing.
I’ve said this before, plenty of times people near me bang the seats up & down to try and get a song going (until the stewards tell them to stop)
You can’t tell me it doesn’t work - just look at Palace,Celtic, Rangers etc....
But when you have quite a few people against the idea, we can’t moan or see our arses when most of the section are stood there with armes folded biting their nails while about 20 of us are trying to get songs started at the back.
My honest opinion is that some of the people in the singing section aren’t there to sing but to have banter with the away fans.
I would love all 2000 or 3000 fans in our section to be constantly singing & bouncing......unfortunately we’ve not done anything like that since the Poznan.
This isn’t me having a pop at other supporters - it’s just my opinion.

 

[moggymoz]

I sit at the back of the South Stand level 1 singing section (next to the away fans) and i would gladly have a drum to keep a rythm going to keep people singing.
I’ve said this before, plenty of times people near me bang the seats up & down to try and get a song going (until the stewards tell them to stop)
You can’t tell me it doesn’t work - just look at Palace,Celtic, Rangers etc....
But when you have quite a few people against the idea, we can’t moan or see our arses when most of the section are stood there with armes folded biting their nails while about 20 of us are trying to get songs started at the back.
My honest opinion is that some of the people in the singing section aren’t there to sing but to have banter with the away fans.
I would love all 2000 or 3000 fans in our section to be constantly singing & bouncing......unfortunately we’ve not done anything like that since the Poznan.
This isn’t me having a pop at other supporters - it’s just my opinion.

Stopped reading at "gladly have a drum"

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

Stopped reading at "gladly have a drum"

You stopped reading and others have stopped singing.
No drum, no other idea’s - let’s blame the club, stick the V’s up to the visiting supporter then fold arms showing Stone Island badge.

 

[moggymoz]

You stopped reading and others have stopped singing.
No drum, no other idea’s - let’s blame the club, stick the V’s up to the visiting supporter then fold arms showing Stone Island badge.

That made absolutely no sense whatsoever :/