BT Sport or BT Bias?

[Ban-jani]

Theoretical situation.

1. We are playing second leg in the Nou Camp. Vinny scores the exact same goal as Dawson last night, disallowed, there would be uproar
2. Clichy makes a last ditch tackle on Messi, in the exact same manner, penalty given and Clichy off, there would be uproar

We don't need to justify what were favourable decisions given to us by a linesman. As I said the decisions stand. Same as they would if they went against us.

There is no agenda, or bias or conspiracy.

There are unqualified journalists, pundits and referees that are not fit for purpose, which is another argument.

1. Not from me there fucking wouldn't.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Dawson looked offside to the assistant when the ball was struck, but he wasn't.. Zabba was keeping him on. It was a wrong decision. We can accept it, we don't have to prove it was right, we still get the goal chalked off and keep the 3 points.

The penalty is subjective. Rose had to make the tackle. He clearly got the ball but in the process he caught Dzeko, I don't think there was enough contact for Dzeko to go down in the manner he did. I wouldn't have given it in real time.

Incidentally, the lead up to their offside goal was never a foul from Yaya on Rose. Things were heated and Mariner was losing control at this stage. Rose tipped over very easily.

Mariner was very poor for both sides last night

p.s. underlining your main points and saying ipso facto does not give more credence to your argument. It is like putting a big FACT at the end. :)

Yer get the comment that 'the ref gave us nothing all night'! But we are getting an increasing number of referees who make dreadful decisions for both sides. I often wonder whether they are subconsciously evening up one bad decision with another!

It is usually a slippery slope from the first perceived injustice or incorrect decision. Home fans are good at putting pressure on refs, almost every home teams fans are on at the ref from about the 10th minute in.

When things aren't going well it is always the ref or the pitch or the alignment of the stars or boardroom disputes.

That is why I liked Sherwoods comments after the game "They are better than us".

I only let him have a minute in either half free of abuse. After that he is fair game!

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

On the red card thing.. there is a pundit who works on RTE here in Ireland, John Giles, he has an interesting point on the penalty and red card scenario, his thoughts are,
1. Give the penalty
2. If the penalty is scored, no further punishment.
3. If the penalty is missed, red card.

Could lead to a lot of penalties being blazed over the bar, dependant on the situation of course.

 

[andyhinch]

Theoretical situation.

1. We are playing second leg in the Nou Camp. Vinny scores the exact same goal as Dawson last night, disallowed, there would be uproar
2. Clichy makes a last ditch tackle on Messi, in the exact same manner, penalty given and Clichy off, there would be uproar

We don't need to justify what were favourable decisions given to us by a linesman. As I said the decisions stand. Same as they would if they went against us.

There is no agenda, or bias or conspiracy.

There are unqualified journalists, pundits and referees that are not fit for purpose, which is another argument.

1. Not from me there fucking wouldn't.

Nor me.

 

[TueartsOHK]

On the red card thing.. there is a pundit who works on RTE here in Ireland, John Giles, he has an interesting point on the penalty and red card scenario, his thoughts are,
1. Give the penalty
2. If the penalty is scored, no further punishment.
3. If the penalty is missed, red card.

Could lead to a lot of penalties being blazed over the bar, dependant on the situation of course.

Sounds like an interesting idea. I think it was a penalty but why can't a bit of common sense be applied to sending players off (instead of it always being the last man rule) - Rose was going for the ball and got it but for me there was too much contact with Dzeko to let it go but a sending off seems harsh. I know that's the rule but harsh non the less.

 

[lasereyes]

I agree completely that the ref was awful last night:
- Clear penalty when Bentaleb virtually caught the ball (juggled it like an England slip fielder) => not given
- Zabaletta completely up-ended on the edge of the box - NO CALL
- Adebayor lunges his body in front of Demichelis and sticks his foot on his body => Demichelis gets booked
- Aguero clouted in the face by Dawson => NO CALL
- Capoue stamps violently on David Silva's foot => No card of any colour.

About the only correct decision was ruling out the offside goal. The penalty we got was borderline. The defender did catch Dzeko's left leg slightly before the ball - question is whether that impeded or up-ended Dzeko. I wouldn't have been upset if that wasn't given. But assuming the other calls above had been correct, my bet is the score would have ended up little different.

 

[xenon_]

On the red card thing.. there is a pundit who works on RTE here in Ireland, John Giles, he has an interesting point on the penalty and red card scenario, his thoughts are,
1. Give the penalty
2. If the penalty is scored, no further punishment.
3. If the penalty is missed, red card.

Could lead to a lot of penalties being blazed over the bar, dependant on the situation of course.

That's gotta be one of the dumbest suggestions I've heard regarding rule changes. And there's been a few pearlers.

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

On the red card thing.. there is a pundit who works on RTE here in Ireland, John Giles, he has an interesting point on the penalty and red card scenario, his thoughts are,
1. Give the penalty
2. If the penalty is scored, no further punishment.
3. If the penalty is missed, red card.

Could lead to a lot of penalties being blazed over the bar, dependant on the situation of course.

That's gotta be one of the dumbest suggestions I've heard regarding rule changes. And there's been a few pearlers.

I know it is a non runner but it would be piss funny watching players miss on purpose to get a fella sent off.

 

[pee dubya]

Just remove the compulsory part of the rule.

If it's obviously a deliberate foul, like tugging back or a deliberate trip, then red card. If it's a genuine attempt for a winnable ball or an accidental foul/collision, then a penalty and maybe a yellow.

In most cases it's pretty obvious which is which.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

On the red card thing.. there is a pundit who works on RTE here in Ireland, John Giles, he has an interesting point on the penalty and red card scenario, his thoughts are,
1. Give the penalty
2. If the penalty is scored, no further punishment.
3. If the penalty is missed, red card.

Could lead to a lot of penalties being blazed over the bar, dependant on the situation of course.

Depending on who's given away the pen, doing a Jonesy or a Wellshite might be a better option! Particularly if yer already one or two up! It'd probably lead to a booking for 'deliberately missing a pen' in the same way that 'aggressive walking' copped for one!

 

[Henkeman]

Just remove the compulsory part of the rule.

If it's obviously a deliberate foul, like tugging back or a deliberate trip, then red card. If it's a genuine attempt for a winnable ball or an accidental foul/collision, then a penalty and maybe a yellow.

In most cases it's pretty obvious which is which.

It should be, but the compulsory red card was brought in precisely because defenders would take the chance on the colour of the card in order to stop a goal being scored. And then you'd have people ranting that it ought to have been a red and wasn't. Truth is there's no ideal way of handling this, you're always going to get anomolies.

I still don't believe BT Sport are biased - but they didn't have a great night last night.

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

Just remove the compulsory part of the rule.

If it's obviously a deliberate foul, like tugging back or a deliberate trip, then red card. If it's a genuine attempt for a winnable ball or an accidental foul/collision, then a penalty and maybe a yellow.

In most cases it's pretty obvious which is which.

It should be, but the compulsory red card was brought in precisely because defenders would take the chance on the colour of the card in order to stop a goal being scored. And then you'd have people ranting that it ought to have been a red and wasn't. Truth is there's no ideal way of handling this, you're always going to get anomolies.

I still don't believe BT Sport are biased - but they didn't have a great night last night.

I thought that Hargreaves, the wanker and Ginola were brilliant.

Hargreaves wanted to get the fuck in out of the rain. I hadn't a clue what Ginola was talking about (and Hargreaves looked like he wanted to dry hump him), the other long prick was just trying to play devils advocate.

 

[lasereyes]

I think the rules are fine as they are. In some cases, it might end up being a little harsh, but you want to encourage open play leading to goals and the penalty for a professional foul has to be severe enough that's it's a major disincentive. I don't view Rose's tackle as "perfectly timed" as I heard a couple of commentators say. It was a last ditched tackle from behind and he definitely caught Dzeko's left thigh before he got the ball. He rolled the dice on a risky tackle and he lost. You loosen the rules then a lot more defenders will take the chance and the game as a spectacle will diminish.

 

[john blue]

Like listening to billy bleeding bradshaw, send a e-mail to b.t.sports. i have.

 

[newenglandblue]

Theoretical situation.

1. We are playing second leg in the Nou Camp. Vinny scores the exact same goal as Dawson last night, disallowed, there would be uproar
2. Clichy makes a last ditch tackle on Messi, in the exact same manner, penalty given and Clichy off, there would be uproar

We don't need to justify what were favourable decisions given to us by a linesman. As I said the decisions stand. Same as they would if they went against us.

There is no agenda, or bias or conspiracy.

There are unqualified journalists, pundits and referees that are not fit for purpose, which is another argument.

1. Not from me there fucking wouldn't.

Agree entirely. It was off side - even if Adebayor did not touch the ball which Sherwood said he did. Penalty more marginal but he still played the man before the ball so whilst you could understand the referee not seeing that touch and and not giving it, the decision was actually excellent.

 

[jimharri]

Theoretical situation.

1. We are playing second leg in the Nou Camp. Vinny scores the exact same goal as Dawson last night, disallowed, there would be uproar
2. Clichy makes a last ditch tackle on Messi, in the exact same manner, penalty given and Clichy off, there would be uproar

We don't need to justify what were favourable decisions given to us by a linesman. As I said the decisions stand. Same as they would if they went against us.

There is no agenda, or bias or conspiracy.

There are unqualified journalists, pundits and referees that are not fit for purpose, which is another argument.

1. Not from me there fucking wouldn't.

Nor me.

Same here. It was offside, and the fact that it's one of our players who scored it doesn't alter that. Disappointment? Certainly? Uproar? Only from those with blinkers on.

 

[lasereyes]

1. Not from me there fucking wouldn't.

Nor me.

Same here. It was offside, and the fact that it's one of our players who scored it doesn't alter that. Disappointment? Certainly? Uproar? Only from those with blinkers on.

Sorry, point 1 from OP indicates he doesn't know the offside law. The penalty given was debateable. But the penalty not given was not debatable. How many times does a guy need to handle on one play for a pen to be awarded?

 

[stonerblue]

His head definitely brushed the ball but even if he didnt he would still have been interfering with play.

Exactly. Joe didn't know that Ade would not make a firm connection. He would have been preparing himself to make a save from Ade's header. Therefore it has affected play. Therefore offside.

The assistant gave the offside because he said Dawson was off. Ade didn't come into the decision making process for him.

He was wrong. We dodged a bullet. Thank fuck.

Now you're falling for the bollox the big daft numpty presenter was banging on about. Do you really think the ref told a bt reporter why he gave the decision, and in such detail?
'BT sport understands.,,,,,,,' my arse

 

[stonerblue]

On the red card thing.. there is a pundit who works on RTE here in Ireland, John Giles, he has an interesting point on the penalty and red card scenario, his thoughts are,
1. Give the penalty
2. If the penalty is scored, no further punishment.
3. If the penalty is missed, red card.

Could lead to a lot of penalties being blazed over the bar, dependant on the situation of course.

That's gotta be one of the dumbest suggestions I've heard regarding rule changes. And there's been a few pearlers.

'Pearlers', not heard that for yonks.

 

[kevstar]

But doncha just love it when Owen jumps straight to a conclusion and then the replay shows the opposite! He is so full of himself I'm amazed he can fit in the commentator's chair - the blown up wanker. BT production team must be a cage full of monkeys which explains why the sound went on mute - they probably chewed through the cable....