BT Sport

Agree completely. It's worth remembering here though that for all that BT's coverage of our games has been a pathetic, clickbait orientated, biased disgrace, I still haven't heard any comments as extreme as those levelled at us by Scholes and that fat cnut Chiles on ITV that time (I think it was Munich at home 3 years ago), when they were on empty seat watch a full 35 minutes before kick off and the slug claimed on air that the club had "no soul" and pondered whether the team weren't just "a bunch of mercenaries". Now that really boiled my piss!
Regardless of broadcaster,the theme is constant.....where we are concerned,more often than not,their carefully chosen presenters have a lack of knowledge regarding our club and their allegiances,and sympathies,lie elsewhere - the tone is set from the start.
Its in stark contrast to the other 'big' clubs where every effort is made to secure the services of an 'expert' whose loyalties lie very much in the camp of the team in which they are covering - it just fucking stinks.

I'm not asking for sycophants or smoke to be blown......like is frequently witnessed with the Rags and Dippers.....I simply want fair,unbiased and entertaining commentary.
 
Then youre missing the point spectacularly.
The issue isn't the criticism itself,as i'm in agreement that aspects of our campaign were deserving of such,its the bias of said analysis and the way in which its delivered.
Without doubt, BT treat us differently to other English teams by way of their broadcasting of our games or,simply,when discussing the club in general - there is an obvious agenda, a reluctance to portray us positively......from their choice of match pundit to their scheduling and coverage - its frequently with bias and contempt and a total lack of respect - its unjustified,inexcusable and utterly pathetic.
And what you have just posted is a spectacularly different point to your opening salvo, so hopefully we don't have to go down that route.

BT are a media outlet and as such the prominence of their punditry adds considerable weight to their football coverage. Look at Sky and the huge promotional push they made when they'd secured the universally popular Thierry Henry as a pundit. Not only was he popular, but he'd played in WC finals, won the CL, PL, domestic cups and played his football at the highest levels in France, Italy, England, Spain and the US.

Whether we like it or not, that playing experience counts for a lot when a player is giving a personal account of how players must be feeling when scoring a last minute equaliser in a CL knockout round to force extra time. The retired players with that kind of experience would have probably played for one of the teams in what was the traditional top 4 of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool or ManUre and there is no getting away from that.

I love the fellas, but could The Goat or Paul Lake legitimately do the same based on their playing experiences? I recall John Terry having a similar issue with criticism from Robbie Savage and saying, "I'll take it from Rio, Keano or Scholesy but not from someone like Robbie Savage" and to a degree he has a point because you'll never truly know what a man has gone through until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

The BBC & ITV have been at it for years with International football whereby their football feeds are exactly the same, so it's the style of delivery, the commentators used, and the pundits who make the difference between watching one channel over the other. Most people given the choice of listening to Scholes, Rio, Owen and McManaman or The Goat, Paul Lake, Steve Howie and Danny Mills would probably choose the former based purely on their previous success and experience at the highest level of football and the same can be said if I substituted our former players for other players from teams outside of the traditional top 4.

I listen to the pundits out of interest as being the open minded type I'm always interested in other people's views, but first and foremost I trust what I can see with my own two eyes and ultimately that's what counts to me. The main issue I have is when people cannot trust their eyes enough to see when the Emporor is stark bollock naked. As such I couldn't give a rats arse what the pundits say as any fair minded, intelligent individual will be able to see the truth through the smog of opinions.

The fact these pundits are being forced to comment on us speaks volumes, as I'd rather this than the punditry teams covering the Championship. We're a threat, they know it and can do fuck all about it and as time goes by and as the current crop of pundits become more distant from the modern game, I'm sure the likes of Vinny, Zabaleta, Hart and anyone else who can speak English at City will start to emerge a viable pundits to the consternation of ManUre, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea fans.
 
And what you have just posted is a spectacularly different point to your opening salvo, so hopefully we don't have to go down that route.

BT are a media outlet and as such the prominence of their punditry adds considerable weight to their football coverage. Look at Sky and the huge promotional push they made when they'd secured the universally popular Thierry Henry as a pundit. Not only was he popular, but he'd played in WC finals, won the CL, PL, domestic cups and played his football at the highest levels in France, Italy, England, Spain and the US.

Whether we like it or not, that playing experience counts for a lot when a player is giving a personal account of how players must be feeling when scoring a last minute equaliser in a CL knockout round to force extra time. The retired players with that kind of experience would have probably played for one of the teams in what was the traditional top 4 of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool or ManUre and there is no getting away from that.

I love the fellas, but could The Goat or Paul Lake legitimately do the same based on their playing experiences? I recall John Terry having a similar issue with criticism from Robbie Savage and saying, "I'll take it from Rio, Keano or Scholesy but not from someone like Robbie Savage" and to a degree he has a point because you'll never truly know what a man has gone through until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

The BBC & ITV have been at it for years with International football whereby their football feeds are exactly the same, so it's the style of delivery, the commentators used, and the pundits who make the difference between watching one channel over the other. Most people given the choice of listening to Scholes, Rio, Owen and McManaman or The Goat, Paul Lake, Steve Howie and Danny Mills would probably choose the former based purely on their previous success and experience at the highest level of football and the same can be said if I substituted our former players for other players from teams outside of the traditional top 4.

I listen to the pundits out of interest as being the open minded type I'm always interested in other people's views, but first and foremost I trust what I can see with my own two eyes and ultimately that's what counts to me. The main issue I have is when people cannot trust their eyes enough to see when the Emporor is stark bollock naked. As such I couldn't give a rats arse what the pundits say as any fair minded, intelligent individual will be able to see the truth through the smog of opinions.

The fact these pundits are being forced to comment on us speaks volumes, as I'd rather this than the punditry teams covering the Championship. We're a threat, they know it and can do fuck all about it and as time goes by and as the current crop of pundits become more distant from the modern game, I'm sure the likes of Vinny, Zabaleta, Hart and anyone else who can speak English at City will start to emerge a viable pundits to the consternation of ManUre, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea fans.

Lots of undeniably true stuff in there. Re the last sentence though, my concern is that whilst the 3 City players you reference are obvious pundit material of the future, I wonder whether an organisation that seems, based on the evidence, to have opted for a clickbait approach to their CL coverage this season (trying to keep armchair rags and dippers happy), would want pundits, who would be bound to try and portray us in a positive light
 
Part of the problem is the total glee that the likes of camel, gingerpig & McPointy take when discussing our 'failures' on reaching CL semi finals. You cannot, for 1 moment, imagine the likes of Zab, Joe, Vinny etc slating off other clubs & their fans if they were invited onto panels to discuss , for example, Utd games . Therein lies the main difference in these pundits: class.
 
Which thread do we complain about Sky sports in? All I've seen all morning is how fucking amazing Peggy is, and How Beaky is a natural winner.

The state of News Stations these months have been more sickening than usual

Just like the scum are 'signing' everyone to boost season ticket sales, so are Sky whoring themselves for subscriptions promising a different season for the rags
 
Part of the problem is the total glee that the likes of camel, gingerpig & McPointy take when discussing our 'failures' on reaching CL semi finals. You cannot, for 1 moment, imagine the likes of Zab, Joe, Vinny etc slating off other clubs & their fans if they were invited onto panels to discuss , for example, Utd games . Therein lies the main difference in these pundits: class.

Exactly.

When the camel has to resort to sending tweets about empty seats at the Etihad and saying City fans would rather watch bake of than the CL, he was simply showing his lack of class.
Something the camel has never had or will ever have.
 
Exactly.

When the camel has to resort to sending tweets about empty seats at the Etihad and saying City fans would rather watch bake of than the CL, he was simply showing his lack of class.
Something the camel has never had or will ever have.
Yup, or like when Rooney sent a tweet laughing about Yaya and Kolo losing the AFCON final. Some of United's star players are colossally gormless to the point where it offensive.
 
Where did I say "Sevilla are not even a decent team?"





Unless like with you reckoning I've said "Sevilla are not even a decent team" somewhere, you've heard the BT panel say different to what they actually did.....

So now you are referring to them as a decent team....make your mind up mate.

Look at the last paragraph of your post on Tuesday at 8:33am...page 116. You stated that we have come up against only three decent teams in Europe this season. Presumably you are referring here to Real, PSG and Juventus..... which clearly shows that you are not grading Sevilla as a decent team.

End of discussion.
 
Look at Sky and the huge promotional push they made when they'd secured the universally popular Thierry Henry as a pundit. Not only was he popular, but he'd played in WC finals, won the CL, PL, domestic cups and played his football at the highest levels in France, Italy, England, Spain and the US.
Don't think he is universally popular, ask the Irish what they think of him.

How he can pontificate on dodgy incidents in the penalty area when he was a blatant cheat is beyond me.
 
Well the Evening News really stuck it to them there didn't they! If you're going to ask the questions at least get stuck in and don't accept an answer that doesn't, err, answer the question. Go on the front foot and make them squirm.
 
Lots of undeniably true stuff in there. Re the last sentence though, my concern is that whilst the 3 City players you reference are obvious pundit material of the future, I wonder whether an organisation that seems, based on the evidence, to have opted for a clickbait approach to their CL coverage this season (trying to keep armchair rags and dippers happy), would want pundits, who would be bound to try and portray us in a positive light
Time moves on and money talks. BT's integrity has been publicly called into question and above the hackneyed twit who decided not to show highlights of our FA Cup final, there will be some number cruncher and when that person considers the lasting damage that can be done, economics will force them to change.

We all thought Rat Boy was going to be a **** to us when he first joined Sky, but as it turned out he was fair handed in his praise and criticism of us even if he did freely admit it hurt him seeing City consistently above ManUre. BT are in their infancy and if they don't want to go the same way as Setanta, ITV Sport and ESPN, they too will have to wake up and sniff the coffee or risk being cast to one side by the fans of City, Spurs, Leicester, WHU and whoever else is up there trying to challenge for a top four finish.

The difficult takes time, the impossible takes that little bit longer...........
 
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So now you are referring to them as a decent team....make your mind up mate.

Look at the last paragraph of your post on Tuesday at 8:33am...page 116. You stated that we have come up against only three decent teams in Europe this season. Presumably you are referring here to Real, PSG and Juventus..... which clearly shows that you are not grading Sevilla as a decent team.

End of discussion.
And I qualified that by saying perhaps I should have said European elite team in my reply to you. I do agree with you though where you say end of discussion and what a relief that is........
 
Don't think he is universally popular, ask the Irish what they think of him.

How he can pontificate on dodgy incidents in the penalty area when he was a blatant cheat is beyond me.
Much the same as a certain generation of the English have never forgotten 'The hand of god' incident. I'm sure they all get over it in time! :-)
 
And I qualified that by saying perhaps I should have said European elite team in my reply to you. I do agree with you though where you say end of discussion and what a relief that is........

We finally agree on something...haha!!!!.
 
Time moves on and money talks. BT's integrity has been publicly called into question and above the hackneyed twit who decided no to show highlights of our FA Cup final will have someone above him who's a number cruncher and when he considers the lasting damage that can be done, economics will force them to change.

We all thought Rat Boy was going to be a **** to us when he first joined Sky, but as it turned out he was fair handed in his praise and criticism of us even if he did freely admit it hurt him seeing City consistently above ManUre. BT are in their infancy and if they don't want to go the same way as Setanta, ITV Sport and ESPN, they too will have to wake up and sniff the coffee or risk being cast to one side by the fans of City, Spurs, Leicester, WHU and whoever else is up there trying to challenge for a top four finish.

The difficult takes time, the impossible takes that little bit longer...........

Hope you're right. Depends on how much they value their credibility as a serious sports broadcaster I suppose. I've a nasty feeling that money (in the form of ratings) will sway their decision making a while longer yet though. In the meantime I guess the trick for us is drawing attention to their shite, biased coverage, without over-egging the pudding and making ourselves sound whiny
 
Hope you're right. Depends on how much they value their credibility as a serious sports broadcaster I suppose. I've a nasty feeling that money (in the form of ratings) will sway their decision making a while longer yet though. In the meantime I guess the trick for us is drawing attention to their shite, biased coverage, without over-egging the pudding and making ourselves sound whiny
Spot on. The MEN piece highlighted our concerns and laid bare the agenda question for all to see. The political reply from BT was just transparent bullshit, but believe me, there'll be some Plymouth Argyle fan in a position of power in there somewhere who'll just be thinking to himself, 'If this all goes tits up, it's my bollocks on the chopping block'. Trust me self preservation will kick in and the threat of economic sanctions from the fans and the danger of their contract with UEFA not being renewed leaving them with just Premier League scraps and the League Cup will sufficiently clear their nostrils and force them to act.
 
Thierry Henry is just a shite pundit though. He offers nothing, and does it in the same monotone as that other useless **** Owen. Then there's the drug cheat and scholes who struggle to speak English but when the words do come out they've been scripted from the swamp. The whole thing is a farce. The thought of handing over a penny to them makes me ill. In fact I've lost money by refusing to have BT in my place of business. Worth it though.
 
Thierry Henry is just a shite pundit though. He offers nothing, and does it in the same monotone as that other useless **** Owen. Then there's the drug cheat and scholes who struggle to speak English but when the words do come out they've been scripted from the swamp. The whole thing is a farce. The thought of handing over a penny to them makes me ill. In fact I've lost money by refusing to have BT in my place of business. Worth it though.

This is a key point.

Most of these people are actually fucking shite at their jobs. When I was a kid & people such as Jimmy Hill brought in the original football analysis stuff, it made me take an extra interest in knowing what was going on apart from the obvious, but in a short time it became a primitive version of the same partisan shite we see now, but at least in those days you got some top people involved & often they were ENTERTAINING.

Look at the fucking dull cunts we have to put up with accross almost every channel. It's also true that most of the time they pick out examples of shit play ( except when it's their favourites ) as reasons for goals being scored etc, rather than pointing out interesting tactics or attacking play.

I learned so much about cricket back in the day, listening to Richie Benaud etc explaining what the bowler was likely tying to do & how the batsman might counter it etc. Then you saw it happen as he explained, right there.

None of these cunts are smart enough to educate us in the same way re football. Not fit to lace his fucking boots as 'sports broadcasters' not one. If you wait for these wankers to point out something insightful, you wait for a fucking long time.

Then add to it, the fact we seem to be the official target for anything which goes wrong at any time anywhere. It's a thouroughly unrewarding experience for a City fan watching televised football with these people involved.
 

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