Bundesliga review

[Ruhr]

Braunschweig promoted.

After 28 years. I´m afraid, it will be not for more than one season, but until then they will have a party
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhVE9zeekPU[/youtube]

 

[ManCitizens.]

For all the Germans that have strict standards/ hatred towards clubs with a lot of money and smaller fan bases (Wolfsburg, Bayer, Hoffenheim). Do you enjoy watching players such as Ozil, Klose, Khedira and Podolski when playing in the German national team? Would you respect Bale if he was currently playing for England (exactly the same thing).

For a country with such stuck up supporters, I'm surprised players who should be playing for different countries are allowed to represent Germany without fans making a protest.

Thought this would be the best place to ask this rather than a new thread.

 

[Ruhr]

Most of those fans who are so deep into club football, that they hate Wolfsburg or Hoffenheim, dont give a damn about the national team.

 

[supercrystal7]

For all the Germans that have strict standards/ hatred towards clubs with a lot of money and smaller fan bases (Wolfsburg, Bayer, Hoffenheim). Do you enjoy watching players such as Ozil, Klose, Khedira and Podolski when playing in the German national team? Would you respect Bale if he was currently playing for England (exactly the same thing).

For a country with such stuck up supporters, I'm surprised players who should be playing for different countries are allowed to represent Germany without fans making a protest.

Thought this would be the best place to ask this rather than a new thread.

What other countries exactly should those players play for?
Khedira was born in Germany, a product of the German football system and ethnically is half German.
Ozil was born in Germany, a product of the German system and his parents were born in Germany.
Klose is of mostly Silesian origin and is a product of the German system.
Even Podoloski, who is ethnically Polish is a product of the German system.

 

[JollyGood]

For all the Germans that have strict standards/ hatred towards clubs with a lot of money and smaller fan bases (Wolfsburg, Bayer, Hoffenheim). Do you enjoy watching players such as Ozil, Klose, Khedira and Podolski when playing in the German national team? Would you respect Bale if he was currently playing for England (exactly the same thing).

For a country with such stuck up supporters, I'm surprised players who should be playing for different countries are allowed to represent Germany without fans making a protest.

Thought this would be the best place to ask this rather than a new thread.

That's quite shocking actually. Why exactly should for example Khedira play for another nation? Because he doesn't look german? Can't think of another reason why you came to that conclusion, after all his mother is german, he was born, grew up and lived for more than 20 years in germany, he learned playing football in german football clubs, played for germany at youth level. I really can't think of a single reason why he shouldn't play for germany.

I really don't know if Bale had a choice, but if he had and he would have chosen England, of course it would be fine.

 

[supercrystal7]

For all the Germans that have strict standards/ hatred towards clubs with a lot of money and smaller fan bases (Wolfsburg, Bayer, Hoffenheim). Do you enjoy watching players such as Ozil, Klose, Khedira and Podolski when playing in the German national team? Would you respect Bale if he was currently playing for England (exactly the same thing).

For a country with such stuck up supporters, I'm surprised players who should be playing for different countries are allowed to represent Germany without fans making a protest.

Thought this would be the best place to ask this rather than a new thread.

That's quite shocking actually. Why exactly should for example Khedira play for another nation? Because he doesn't look german? Can't think of another reason why you came to that conclusion, after all his mother is german, he was born, grew up and lived for more than 20 years in germany, he learned playing football in german football clubs, played for germany at youth level. I really can't think of a single reason why he shouldn't play for germany.

I really don't know if Bale had a choice, but if he had and he would have chosen England, of course it would be fine.

Yes that's the only reason I can think he included Khedira. As for Bale I don't think he did have a choice. Either did Giggs. There is a gentleman's agreement between the home nations not to steal each other's players.

 

[Bembeltown]

They dont look German or have the usual "Müller, Meier" etc surnames, but why should that matter?

As long as someone was born in Germany or moved here at very young age, went to school here, speaks the language and has a connection to the country I couldnt care less what he looks like or his name is.

I would have an issue if we did what some of the Eastern European countries did for a while by offering Brazilian footballers, who had no chance to ever get selected for the Selecao, the nationality of another country just for the sake of them joining the national team.

Other than that what Ruhr said is true...the football fans over here that are deep into club football couldnt give a flying shit about the national team.

Its two different worlds anyway, thats why the atmosphere at national team matches is so horrible as well. Club football has the die hard supporters and the national team attracts all the "hipsters" who discovered that football is cool, when we had the WM in 2006.
The majority of them is the kind of fans that wear fancy dresses, paint their faces or wear wigs in black/red/gold and just care about the party aspect anyway.

By the way we dont hate clubs with a small fanbase (doubt anyone really minds Freiburg, Fürth, Augsburg etc.). Its mostly the money aspect. :)

 

[Ruhr]

The only guy, that shouldn´t have been there, was Cacao. Though he is called "Helmut" and feels to be a german. But that was similar to arab states giving a passport to Brazilian players.

Özil for example was born in my hometown Gelsenkirchen, never played for a turkish team, never lived in Turkey, why should he play for them? The turkish federation has their agents in germany, that - once a talent with turkish roots has made it through the german academy system - try to convince them to play for Turkey. Find that more annoying.
It´s just the reality of a modern state with all the multiethnical kids. Only the german far right (or nazi) party makes propaganda against it from time to time.

But as i said: Who takes care about the "investors rule" of german football and therefore doesn´t like Hoffenheim or Wolfsburg, is a pure club football fan. They see world cups as some entertainment for the summer, not more. (Don´t know about Bayern fans, as the german national team is their club team in disguise)

 

[ell]

For all the Germans that have strict standards/ hatred towards clubs with a lot of money and smaller fan bases (Wolfsburg, Bayer, Hoffenheim). Do you enjoy watching players such as Ozil, Klose, Khedira and Podolski when playing in the German national team? Would you respect Bale if he was currently playing for England (exactly the same thing).

For a country with such stuck up supporters, I'm surprised players who should be playing for different countries are allowed to represent Germany without fans making a protest.

Thought this would be the best place to ask this rather than a new thread.

That's quite shocking actually. Why exactly should for example Khedira play for another nation? Because he doesn't look german? Can't think of another reason why you came to that conclusion, after all his mother is german, he was born, grew up and lived for more than 20 years in germany, he learned playing football in german football clubs, played for germany at youth level. I really can't think of a single reason why he shouldn't play for germany.

I really don't know if Bale had a choice, but if he had and he would have chosen England, of course it would be fine.

Yes that's the only reason I can think he included Khedira. As for Bale I don't think he did have a choice. Either did Giggs. There is a gentleman's agreement between the home nations not to steal each other's players.

I thought there was a kerfuffle over Matt Phillips playing for Scotland a few months back?

 

[JollyGood]

The only guy, that shouldn´t have been there, was Cacao. Though he is called "Helmut" and feels to be a german. But that was similar to arab states giving a passport to Brazilian players.

Cacao wanted to have the german nationality, so that his kids grew up as germans. He loves the country, lived in germany for years, waited the necessary time and applied, took the test, the same way everyone has to do it. He never thought about the german national team, no one really expected him to become good enough to play for germany, when that happened. You could argue that someone who changed his nationality after a certain date, let's say at age 16 or 18 or whatever shoulnd't be allowed to play for his "new" country. But he's german now, he never played for any other nation, so I don't mind. It happens quite often in europe as well. Deco and Pepe are brazilian for example but got the portoguese nationality after moving to europe when they played for Porto. Deco was 25 when he switched, Pepe was 24.

The whole discussion is really strange. No one questioned Zidane playing for France or is questioning Benzema now. Or Balotelli, he got the italian nationality when he turned 18. Should he play for Ghana? Of course not. I really think it's shocking that it's such a big deal for so many people with the german nationalteam - you find that stupid argument about Özil, Khedira, etc. not being "real germans" in every football board I visited since the world cup 2010.