Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester [Merged]

[Pigeonho]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

Off topic rivals the Daily Mash without even realising it.

The moment I heard this story this morning, I knew there would be an immediate off topic response and I knew it would be typically people venting their reactionary spleens about their own "Well if it happened to me, I'd ...." fantasies.

Thanks for keeping me entertained whilst the real story unfolds. Particularly the "A mate of mine told me..." jackanory's.

1. That's how people would react.
2. I don't fantasise about wrapping a snooker cue round a burglars head, it's just what I would do in that situation.
3. Why wouldn't the 'jackanorys' be true?
4. What would you do, welcome the burglar in for a sing song of kumbayah?

1. Actually people don't know how they would react until they are faced with a given situation, they just think they do.
2. Ok.
3. Because these stories about the police coming back to arrest the victim like they take some sort of perverse satisfaction in warping natural justice tend to be utter rubbish.
4. Without getting drawn into an hypothetical fantasy about what I'd do, I'll say that I would use no more than reasonable force necessary in the given circumstances. Don't try and make me out to be a lilly livered yoghurt knitter mate. I have a sounder knowledge of lawful self defence than most on here.

Oh and Pigeonho I actually like what you post, I just think these threads are amusing.Nothing personal.

Ok fair play. Just sounded like you were making out we are all trying to be tough guys. I am 100% convinced that if faced with that situation, I would lash out with whatever was closest to me and which would do the most damage. If that act killed the person in question, so be it however I would actually be intending to deter them from what they were doing, not actually kill them.

 

[crizack]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

My girlfriend is good mates with the guys son. It's not like him to do anything like that and all I can think of is if my he had his kids in the house aswell. I lived next door to him for about a year and he's a Proper smart guy. I'm not gonna say his name and as yet, I don't know the lad who died coz the police haven't said so.

 

[Judge Roughneck]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

1. That's how people would react.
2. I don't fantasise about wrapping a snooker cue round a burglars head, it's just what I would do in that situation.
3. Why wouldn't the 'jackanorys' be true?
4. What would you do, welcome the burglar in for a sing song of kumbayah?

1. Actually people don't know how they would react until they are faced with a given situation, they just think they do.
2. Ok.
3. Because these stories about the police coming back to arrest the victim like they take some sort of perverse satisfaction in warping natural justice tend to be utter rubbish.
4. Without getting drawn into an hypothetical fantasy about what I'd do, I'll say that I would use no more than reasonable force necessary in the given circumstances. Don't try and make me out to be a lilly livered yoghurt knitter mate. I have a sounder knowledge of lawful self defence than most on here.

Oh and Pigeonho I actually like what you post, I just think these threads are amusing.Nothing personal.

Ok fair play. Just sounded like you were making out we are all trying to be tough guys. I am 100% convinced that if faced with that situation, I would lash out with whatever was closest to me and which would do the most damage. If that act killed the person in question, so be it however I would actually be intending to deter them from what they were doing, not actually kill them.

I think you're on the right track there mate, unlike some who have suggested that they would use lethal force for so much as finding someone on their property. And this business about nicking TV's, why is it always telly's? That speaks volumes about the British pysche. I threw a TV away yesterday.
One last thing I failed to mention. Anyone who would contemplate pinning their defence on some soundbite uttered by Camoron or any other politician frankly wants sectioning. The Commons have no practical influence whatsoever over the judiciary. Amen to that as well.

 

[lloydie]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

1. That's how people would react.
2. I don't fantasise about wrapping a snooker cue round a burglars head, it's just what I would do in that situation.
3. Why wouldn't the 'jackanorys' be true?
4. What would you do, welcome the burglar in for a sing song of kumbayah?

1. Actually people don't know how they would react until they are faced with a given situation, they just think they do.
2. Ok.
3. Because these stories about the police coming back to arrest the victim like they take some sort of perverse satisfaction in warping natural justice tend to be utter rubbish.
4. Without getting drawn into an hypothetical fantasy about what I'd do, I'll say that I would use no more than reasonable force necessary in the given circumstances. Don't try and make me out to be a lilly livered yoghurt knitter mate. I have a sounder knowledge of lawful self defence than most on here.

Oh and Pigeonho I actually like what you post, I just think these threads are amusing.Nothing personal.

Ok fair play. Just sounded like you were making out we are all trying to be tough guys. I am 100% convinced that if faced with that situation, I would lash out with whatever was closest to me and which would do the most damage. If that act killed the person in question, so be it however I would actually be intending to deter them from what they were doing, not actually kill them.

death by keyboard? ugly!

(joke mate, could'nt resist :)

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

1. Actually people don't know how they would react until they are faced with a given situation, they just think they do.
2. Ok.
3. Because these stories about the police coming back to arrest the victim like they take some sort of perverse satisfaction in warping natural justice tend to be utter rubbish.
4. Without getting drawn into an hypothetical fantasy about what I'd do, I'll say that I would use no more than reasonable force necessary in the given circumstances. Don't try and make me out to be a lilly livered yoghurt knitter mate. I have a sounder knowledge of lawful self defence than most on here.

Oh and Pigeonho I actually like what you post, I just think these threads are amusing.Nothing personal.

Ok fair play. Just sounded like you were making out we are all trying to be tough guys. I am 100% convinced that if faced with that situation, I would lash out with whatever was closest to me and which would do the most damage. If that act killed the person in question, so be it however I would actually be intending to deter them from what they were doing, not actually kill them.

I think you're on the right track there mate, unlike some who have suggested that they would use lethal force for so much as finding someone on their property. And this business about nicking TV's, why is it always telly's? That speaks volumes about the British pysche. I threw a TV away yesterday.
One last thing I failed to mention. Anyone who would contemplate pinning their defence on some soundbite uttered by Camoron or any other politician frankly wants sectioning. The Commons have no practical influence whatsoever over the judiciary. Amen to that as well.

Judgmental much?!

 

[FuZzY]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

3. Because these stories about the police coming back to arrest the victim like they take some sort of perverse satisfaction in warping natural justice tend to be utter rubbish.

I have no reason to believe the guy who got his house broken into was talking bollocks from what I posted:

I always remember a guy I used to work with told me that he caught somebody who had broken into his house. He decked him, sat on top of him and phoned the police.

The police came and took the intruder away. Not long after the police came back and arrested the guy whose house it was that got broken into!

He had to drop the charges on the guy who broke into his house, because he was going to press charges on him for punching him, which he didn't want because he had a record from the past and it would've affected his job.

I have actually heard similar stories to this before.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

Good.

Cameron said yesterday a bill will be introduced where you can defend your property with 'reasonable force'. I suspect this won't count though, but in all honesty it should.

Tony Martin had the right idea.

The problem with that was he shot them in the back, thats even illigal in America

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

3. Because these stories about the police coming back to arrest the victim like they take some sort of perverse satisfaction in warping natural justice tend to be utter rubbish.

I have no reason to believe the guy who got his house broken into was talking bollocks from what I posted:

I always remember a guy I used to work with told me that he caught somebody who had broken into his house. He decked him, sat on top of him and phoned the police.

The police came and took the intruder away. Not long after the police came back and arrested the guy whose house it was that got broken into!

He had to drop the charges on the guy who broke into his house, because he was going to press charges on him for punching him, which he didn't want because he had a record from the past and it would've affected his job.

I have actually heard similar stories to this before.

Really.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

This 'reasonable force' that is the yardstick for all of these cases has never been properly explained by any of the judiciary, police or politicians, as it is by its very nature ambiguous. I would certainly not give a flying fuck how hard I twatted some thieving/raping/psychotic, or genuinely mentally unbalanced intruder, the latter maybe having some justification for his actions.
Nobody in this situation has the instinct to smack somebody 'just hard enough,' and this is where the perceived unfairness of the system comes in, as it is constantly debated, should the attacker be killed. The best advice I suppose is to lamp them as hard as possible with whatever comes to hand, be it bat, club or knife, then plead fear and no other choice, because the intruder was attacking you.
Safe than sorry, as they say.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: Burglar stabbed to death, Manchester

This 'reasonable force' that is the yardstick for all of these cases has never been properly explained by any of the judiciary, police or politicians, as it is by its very nature ambiguous. I would certainly not give a flying fuck how hard I twatted some thieving/raping/psychotic, or genuinely mentally unbalanced intruder, the latter maybe having some justification for his actions.
Nobody in this situation has the instinct to smack somebody 'just hard enough,' and this is where the perceived unfairness of the system comes in, as it is constantly debated, should the attacker be killed. The best advice I suppose is to lamp them as hard as possible with whatever comes to hand, be it bat, club or knife, then plead fear and no other choice, because the intruder was attacking you.
Safe than sorry, as they say.

The problem with just hard enough is that how do you control it with 14 tons of adrenalin coursing through your body, you would probably think you tapped them but gone in with a force of a train