It hurt seeing Barry have such a good game for Everton. They are talking about him becoming a legend at Goodison already, and he's only played one game. It's especially painful when you see how shit our midfield has been so far. I just hope we don't regret letting him go and I really hope we aren't paying a percentage of his wage. That really would rub salt in the wound.
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Can we afford to let Barry go?
- Thread starter Bobbymanc
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Rodwell although showing glimpses of being good is far too injury prone and so cannot be relied on.
Garcia is just terrible.
Milner is a solid workhorse of a player and I rate him highly.
So that leaves, imo, just Yaya, Fern' and Milner as our defensive minded midfielders for all competitions this season (although Yaya and Fern can also be attack minded).
None of them are great tacklers like Barry. The mind boggles that we allowed Barry to leave and didn't bring in a replacement.
Garcia is just terrible.
Milner is a solid workhorse of a player and I rate him highly.
So that leaves, imo, just Yaya, Fern' and Milner as our defensive minded midfielders for all competitions this season (although Yaya and Fern can also be attack minded).
None of them are great tacklers like Barry. The mind boggles that we allowed Barry to leave and didn't bring in a replacement.
argyle said:Rodwell although showing glimpses of being good is far too injury prone and so cannot be relied on.
Garcia is just terrible.
Milner is a solid workhorse of a player and I rate him highly.
So that leaves, imo, just Yaya, Fern' and Milner as our defensive minded midfielders for all competitions this season (although Yaya and Fern can also be attack minded).
None of them are great tacklers like Barry. The mind boggles that we allowed Barry to leave and didn't bring in a replacement.
There have been some strange decisions of late since the Barca duo have been given their roles and have become more accustomed to what is expected.
Barry's decision is obviously in part because MP didn't feel he suited the set up he wants as much as most of the other defensive minded midfielders plus a hit in the black on the wage bill and the relative length of time he had left on his current contract.
He wants one last crack at a world cup should England get through and Martinez will give him every chance to fulfil that.
He will be a free agent at the end of the season and no doubt if he settles in well at Everton this 12 million or so signing like Bellamy and others will leave us for no transfer fee.
Barry has played his last game for us and gave us great service for 4 years in the role he was given.
We only hope that those midfielders on bigger wages and longer contracts that we have left are able to cover his loss.
I suspect if VK had not of been injured then Lescott would have been allowed to leave as well.
Our new centre half who will miss the very important games coming without setting foot on the pitch yet I assume was a replacement for Kolo Toure again allowed to leave for wage considerations more than anything else.
He has settled in well at Liverpool who haven't conceded a goal while he has been on the pitch for them.
Barry was our silent leader and all our others have now gone.
We are left with VK and Zaba of the old guard and I wonder if they inspire the remainder enough to make a difference where it matters.
Interesting times ahead for us this season and I mean very interesting especially on the pitch.
The early signs are very poor indeed.
To answer the question again. Yes! We can afford to let Barry go, and we will be fine. And even if we are not, it would have little to do with letting Barry go. Good pro, but his presence or absence wouldn't be determinative of our achievements or lack there off.
Barry made 41 appearances last season. In 90% of those he was varying degrees of good to excellent.
In 10% of his appearances he had absolute stinkers. The games we lost at Everton and Southampton helped kill off our league campaign, the result at Ajax was a catastrophe for our CL campaign, we lost the FA Cup final.
When he had a bad game we got stuffed, mainly because our opponents targeted him.
I would have preferred to have kept him as a squad player if the finances worked. But we couldn't have solved our current midfield problems by keeping him as a regular starter. Everton can live with his 10% stinkers, we can't.
In 10% of his appearances he had absolute stinkers. The games we lost at Everton and Southampton helped kill off our league campaign, the result at Ajax was a catastrophe for our CL campaign, we lost the FA Cup final.
When he had a bad game we got stuffed, mainly because our opponents targeted him.
I would have preferred to have kept him as a squad player if the finances worked. But we couldn't have solved our current midfield problems by keeping him as a regular starter. Everton can live with his 10% stinkers, we can't.
daxman said:To answer the question again. Yes! We can afford to let Barry go, and we will be fine. And even if we are not, it would have little to do with letting Barry go. Good pro, but his presence or absence wouldn't be determinative of our achievements or lack there off.
You are probably right but to have some seasoned professionals with lots of premiership experience could help the likes of those we have bought in to play similar roles when the situation warrants and settle in quicker than otherwise.
Most decent players in La Liga take a while to settle in to the premiership but I don't buy the crap that Chumps League has to be played with some new magic formula to achieve some success.
The best teams in the best leagues will always have their fare share of success in the Chumps League provided the players have the right mind set.
Barry was never going to be a player involved in the next stage of our progress on and off the field whether that be forward or backwards as the case may be.
He will do well at Everton and play every game for them unless injured.
He couldn't do that here same applies to Kolo and others we have moved on.
Always does well against the bigger teams and was my MOM against Chelsea.
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It's not just Barry. Lescott, De Jong, Tevez, Balotelli - the spine of the title winning squad pretty much gone in less than 18 months.
Villa at home in the League Cup. We went out because of his performance that night.cibaman said:Barry made 41 appearances last season. In 90% of those he was varying degrees of good to excellent.
In 10% of his appearances he had absolute stinkers. The games we lost at Everton and Southampton helped kill off our league campaign, the result at Ajax was a catastrophe for our CL campaign, we lost the FA Cup final.
When he had a bad game we got stuffed, mainly because our opponents targeted him.
I would have preferred to have kept him as a squad player if the finances worked. But we couldn't have solved our current midfield problems by keeping him as a regular starter. Everton can live with his 10% stinkers, we can't.
His legs have gone.
Against Chelsea for Everton he was constantly late in the challenge and was warned repeatedly by the ref but got away with it
Any City fan who thinks he'd do well in City's empty midfield is bonkers. Everton play a much different system.
Pellegrini's system requires much higher workrate and intensity. Barry is actually very energetic, far more s than Yaya, but he struggles to get to the ball because he is slow. City haven't been able to implement their game properly because we've had to play a makeshift central defence
cibaman said:Barry made 41 appearances last season. In 90% of those he was varying degrees of good to excellent.
In 10% of his appearances he had absolute stinkers. The games we lost at Everton and Southampton helped kill off our league campaign, the result at Ajax was a catastrophe for our CL campaign, we lost the FA Cup final.
When he had a bad game we got stuffed, mainly because our opponents targeted him.
I would have preferred to have kept him as a squad player if the finances worked. But we couldn't have solved our current midfield problems by keeping him as a regular starter. Everton can live with his 10% stinkers, we can't.
I wouldn't go as far as to say if he had a bad game we were stuffed he had a few below par games that we did alright in.
Conversely we were always home and dry in the games he excelled in either but he was a good foil , did his job well and we havn't replaced him with a better version which is what you have to do if you are to progress.
Finances and his wish for regular football dictated him leaving and its a case of Everton's gain and our wage bill saving.
We will see more of these with Lescott , Milner and Nasri ( shit will we have any English players / players with premiership backgrounds left in the squad FFS ) leaving either in January or at the end of this season.
Our midfield is as slow as treacle in a fog and I haven't seen enough of Jovetic obviously ( I think he was pretty keen to come off against a physical Stoke on Saturday (LOL)) but do we have anybody that can dribble with the ball with pace taking on a defender and actually provide a real clinical cross.
I saw a guy called Quinn for Hull make a good fist of it against Cardiff but when we played them we couldn't exploit their defensive weakness to any degree and ended up paying for it with our schoolboy defending.
Yaya can barge through them when he is forward enough but thats a different story.
I hope Navas and Jovetic although lightly built can show some physical presence in the challenge unlike Nasri who we know is a powder puff because if they can't its going to a long and disappointing season.