Cesc Fabregas signs for Chelsea (page 190)

[BringBackSwales]

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Either I support Chelsea or I rate Mourinho much more highly than is the consensus on here, I believe Chelsea to be THE major domestic threat, and I actually believe that Fabregas and Costa would be immense signings for them.

Mate....I hate Chelsea but I agree with you completely......All Chelsea were missing last year was a striker.....if Chelsea had Fabreges and Costa last season I would argue that we might even have missed out on the league...if these 2 signings are confirmed they will be THE major threat...

If Chelsea had Costa, who I'm not convinced about, and Fabregas, is he that much better than Mata,Oscar,Schurrle, Hazard (Chelsea's starting squad last year).
We would still have got 86 points, If we can improve on that, slightly say 90 points, Chelsea will need to be breaking records to beat us. I don't get this huge Chelsea fear.

maybe, but it would also be stupidly optimistic, verging on the naive, to write them off before the season has even started, as other posters on here seem to have done. IIRC last season they did the double over us and liverpool, and got 4 points out of each of arse, spurs and scum; let's hope they do no up their game against the lesser ranked teams next season. I certainly wouldn't be writing them off, fortunately neither will Pellers

 

[blueparrot]

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They took six points off us last year I cannot see the same happening this year.

Exactly Chelsea can only effect 6 points of our season so we can't do worse than last year.

 

[BringBackSwales]

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well that's that sorted then, thank fuck we no longer have to worry about chelsea

Top teams worry about ensuring they play to their own potential rather than wetting themselves about the opposition.

Anyway the whole Chelsea love in has done my head in for 12 months. Can't believe the number of Blues on here who spent the entire season saying Chelsea were gonna win the league because Mourinho was a genius and had the "know how" in the PL. Turns out our PL rookie manager did better than him. On that basis like I said, I'll worry about Chelsea no more than any other rival. And yeah I think they'll finish further behind us and Mourinho will get the sack.

"I think" makes a lot more sense that "they will" on both points

 

[Anonymous]

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well that's that sorted then, thank fuck we no longer have to worry about chelsea

Top teams worry about ensuring they play to their own potential rather than wetting themselves about the opposition.

Anyway the whole Chelsea love in has done my head in for 12 months. Can't believe the number of Blues on here who spent the entire season saying Chelsea were gonna win the league because Mourinho was a genius and had the "know how" in the PL. Turns out our PL rookie manager did better than him. On that basis like I said, I'll worry about Chelsea no more than any other rival. And yeah I think they'll finish further behind us and Mourinho will get the sack.

"I think" makes a lot more sense that "they will" on both points

People like you really do my head in. Are you really that insecure you need me to write "in my opinion" after every sentence ?

 

[blueparrot]

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I don't know where Chelsea will spend this summer but with Luis, Cole and Lampard gone, if they don't spend at the back they are a Terry injury away from big problems.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Either I support Chelsea or I rate Mourinho much more highly than is the consensus on here, I believe Chelsea to be THE major domestic threat, and I actually believe that Fabregas and Costa would be immense signings for them.

Who cares who THE major domestic threat is. Whether it's Chelsea, Liverpool, or Arsenal they're all good teams. However the season just gone proved that ours was better. In fact, as it turns out Liverpool were better than Chelsea too. So for all your prognostications about how Mourinho was THE domestic threat last season turns out he wasn't.

Personally I think Mourinho's lost a little bit of his lustre in the last two or three years. Become far too influenced by Mendes and has made far too many decisions regarding players which are based not on footballing reasons but based on how much of a % him and Mendes will make out of a deal. That's a recipe for disaster.

If they sign Fabregas and Costa IMO they will be only marginally better than last season. Costa isn't the world beater people make him out to be. He'll do a job for Chelsea but will he do more of a job than say Lukaku would have done? No chance. Is he in the same league as Aguero? No chance. He might, might I repeat, have the impact at Chelsea that Dzeko has had at City, but ultimately there's a prime example of a Mendes deal rather than a footballing one.

Fabregas is even less important because Mourinho's system is incredibly predictable. His midfield next season will be Matic, Ramires + one of Oscar, Van Ginkel, or Fabregas if they sign him. In the immortal words of someone somewhere "do I look bovvered?".

Chelsea will finish further behind us in the upcoming season than they did last season. Mourinho will then be fired.

I like this.

I do feel it's wishful thinking though.

 

[Anonymous]

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I do feel it's wishful thinking though.

Maybe i've been emboldened by the fact that I thought Pellegrini was an upgrade on Mancini, that we'd do a domestic double in the season just gone, and that Chelsea for all the talk of them being the favourites last season, wouldn't even finish 2nd let alone top. :)

 

[BobKowalski]

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Mate....I hate Chelsea but I agree with you completely......All Chelsea were missing last year was a striker.....if Chelsea had Fabreges and Costa last season I would argue that we might even have missed out on the league...if these 2 signings are confirmed they will be THE major threat...

If Chelsea had Costa, who I'm not convinced about, and Fabregas, is he that much better than Mata,Oscar,Schurrle, Hazard (Chelsea's starting squad last year).
We would still have got 86 points, If we can improve on that, slightly say 90 points, Chelsea will need to be breaking records to beat us. I don't get this huge Chelsea fear.

maybe, but it would also be stupidly optimistic, verging on the naive, to write them off before the season has even started, as other posters on here seem to have done. IIRC last season they did the double over us and liverpool, and got 4 points out of each of arse, spurs and scum; let's hope they do no up their game against the lesser ranked teams next season. I certainly wouldn't be writing them off, fortunately neither will Pellers

Agreed. It would be unwise to to write Chelsea off at this point given transfer business has not been concluded. Last season I felt that Chelsea where a striker or two short for a serious title challenge and a lack of goals did for them in games against the lesser lights of the PL. If they correct that fault this year then they will present a more serious challenge. I think that if we do good business in the transfer window and we retain that element of pragmatism that Pellers adopted in the latter stages of last season then I see us still having the edge no matter what Chelsea do, but it will be a close fight if they sort out the imbalance in their squad.

 

[fbloke]

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It seems its the rest of the footballing world that looks at City's squad and thinks that we are still the ones to beat.

It also seems that far too few people see Mourinho as a manager that (as Mr Shears has already pointed out) has passed his peak. The problem for Mourinho is that you can only go around telling players that THEY are the best ever and that he loves them like his own children for so long before the magic is lost.

 

[blueparrot]

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It seems its the rest of the footballing world that looks at City's squad and thinks that we are still the ones to beat.

It also seems that far too few people see Mourinho as a manager that (as Mr Shears has already pointed out) has passed his peak. The problem for Mourinho is that you can only go around telling players that THEY are the best ever and that he loves them like his own children for so long before the magic is lost.

Yes , although he spent most of last season telling them, or at least us, they weren't good enough to win the league yet and his strikers were hopeless. Maybe they began to believe that.

 

[Marvin]

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Who cares who THE major domestic threat is. Whether it's Chelsea, Liverpool, or Arsenal they're all good teams. However the season just gone proved that ours was better. In fact, as it turns out Liverpool were better than Chelsea too. So for all your prognostications about how Mourinho was THE domestic threat last season turns out he wasn't.

Personally I think Mourinho's lost a little bit of his lustre in the last two or three years. Become far too influenced by Mendes and has made far too many decisions regarding players which are based not on footballing reasons but based on how much of a % him and Mendes will make out of a deal. That's a recipe for disaster.

If they sign Fabregas and Costa IMO they will be only marginally better than last season. Costa isn't the world beater people make him out to be. He'll do a job for Chelsea but will he do more of a job than say Lukaku would have done? No chance. Is he in the same league as Aguero? No chance. He might, might I repeat, have the impact at Chelsea that Dzeko has had at City, but ultimately there's a prime example of a Mendes deal rather than a footballing one.

Fabregas is even less important because Mourinho's system is incredibly predictable. His midfield next season will be Matic, Ramires + one of Oscar, Van Ginkel, or Fabregas if they sign him. In the immortal words of someone somewhere "do I look bovvered?".

Chelsea will finish further behind us in the upcoming season than they did last season. Mourinho will then be fired.

I like this.

I do feel it's wishful thinking though.

At the start of last season Chelsea were favourites for the title. They have to deliver next season, because last season they fell way short. Unlike Pellegrini, Mourinho knew the Premier League and the core of his team. He didn't need time to adjust, and his team didn't need time to adjust to him. They should have been uncatchable after our poor start.

Regardless of their Champions League "success" his first season at Chelsea was disappointing. He sold their best player, and reportedly fell out with Hazard. And now Chelsea have bid for Fabregas which spells trouble for Mourinho. In his first spell, Abramovic bought players that were foisted on the manager eg Shevchenko and this all sounds very familiar.

Chelsea have managed to replace Cole, and Lampard was already gone (can you believe that Hodgson has taken him to the World Cup?) but Terry will need to be replaced. Can Zouma or Kallas do that? That puts a big question mark against them next season

 

[fbloke]

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It seems its the rest of the footballing world that looks at City's squad and thinks that we are still the ones to beat.

It also seems that far too few people see Mourinho as a manager that (as Mr Shears has already pointed out) has passed his peak. The problem for Mourinho is that you can only go around telling players that THEY are the best ever and that he loves them like his own children for so long before the magic is lost.

Yes , although he spent most of last season telling them, or at least us, they weren't good enough to win the league yet and his strikers were hopeless. Maybe they began to believe that.

So its his legendary man management that lost them the title then?

Interesting that Lukaku has asked to leave and that Torres is not being sold.

 

[Marvin]

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It seems its the rest of the footballing world that looks at City's squad and thinks that we are still the ones to beat.

It also seems that far too few people see Mourinho as a manager that (as Mr Shears has already pointed out) has passed his peak. The problem for Mourinho is that you can only go around telling players that THEY are the best ever and that he loves them like his own children for so long before the magic is lost.

Yes , although he spent most of last season telling them, or at least us, they weren't good enough to win the league yet and his strikers were hopeless. Maybe they began to believe that.

If another manager had behaved like he did at Villa Pk and with his public criticism of his players, he'd have been accused of cracking up, but no it was Mourinho mind games. He's got his record in the bank, but he made a big withdrawal last season.

 

[blueparrot]

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It seems its the rest of the footballing world that looks at City's squad and thinks that we are still the ones to beat.

It also seems that far too few people see Mourinho as a manager that (as Mr Shears has already pointed out) has passed his peak. The problem for Mourinho is that you can only go around telling players that THEY are the best ever and that he loves them like his own children for so long before the magic is lost.

Yes , although he spent most of last season telling them, or at least us, they weren't good enough to win the league yet and his strikers were hopeless. Maybe they began to believe that.

So its his legendary man management that lost them the title then?

Interesting that Lukaku has asked to leave and that Torres is not being sold.

I think it was a factor,yes. The thing is, first time round he made the players there winners and they would do anything for him. This time round the players there and the players they are looking to buy are, in the main, already winners of things and don't owe him anything, so need to be treated differently and probably with more respect then he gives them.

 

[keylymepye]

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wow, this thread has gone from conspiracy theories to grand delusion. can someone point me in the direction of bluemoon because I appear to have landed in rawk.

 

[117 M34]

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I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

 

[richards30]

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I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

You realise we will strengthen as well don't you? Show some balls and look forward to the battle!

 

[forevermancity]

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Going to put down £30 on him to end up at city..pretty confident on this one. Chelsea will be all fart and no shit..in khaldoon we trust

 

[Marvin]

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I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

You realise we will strengthen as well don't you? Show some balls and look forward to the battle!

City gave Chelsea 2 months head start after our early season away form - that's highly unlikely to happen again. Chelsea have a lot of ground to make up.

 

[blueparrot]

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I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

You realise we will strengthen as well don't you? Show some balls and look forward to the battle!

City gave Chelsea 2 months head start after our early season away form - that's highly unlikely to happen again. Chelsea have a lot of ground to make up.

2 months and 6 points.