Rocket-footed kolarov said:nijinsky's fetlocks said:Rocket-footed kolarov said:Simple answer is we don't know whether he is. If he is then on the scale of how racist he is then it isn't very high, he isn't a member of a white supremacist organisation or a lynch mobber. Other than the one incident is there anything else from his conduct to point towards him at least having racist views? Courts/tribunals don't convict people of being racists, as much as a pathetic view it is, people are entitled to have that view.
If you saw some daft lad on the street clearly mouthing the words 'black ****' to a passer by, would you assume he was racist, or would you have to conduct a series of tests to confirm it?
How many times would he have to repeat the act before you saw a pattern emerging?
Yes, Fetlocks but you have changed the context and you know it. It was two daft footballers winding each other who have known each other for a long period of time. Did Terry mean it, does he actually believe that people's worth depreciates with darker skin? Or was being his usual self- a ****? It was also a while ago so it is possible he could of change his views.
That's escalating it a bit there mate. I know what you are saying, also with what you said before. Sounds like im trying to defend the bloke. Ah fuck it I dont care he used a racial term whether it was a question or a remark we will never know I guess until he attacks someone with a pickaxenijinsky's fetlocks said:BoyBlue_1985 said:aguero93:20 said:he's racist if he said it, unless he can get a diagnosis as mentally disabled or insane his level of mental capability is no defence.
Does one quote make a racist though? Although as you said "if" he said it which I think is indisputable due to the lip reading but he is adamant it was a question. I dont care anyway just a question
Does one racist killing make Anthony Walker a racist murderer?
Who knows - he may have twatted a white bloke with a hammer next had he not been apprehended, and therefore be seen as a multi-racial psychotic madman.
And it was dark at the time...
BoyBlue_1985 said:That's escalating it a bit there mate. I know what you are saying, also with what you said before. Sounds like im trying to defend the bloke. Ah fuck it I dont care he used a racial term whether it was a question or a remark we will never know I guess until he attacks someone with a pickaxenijinsky's fetlocks said:BoyBlue_1985 said:Does one quote make a racist though? Although as you said "if" he said it which I think is indisputable due to the lip reading but he is adamant it was a question. I dont care anyway just a question
Does one racist killing make Anthony Walker a racist murderer?
Who knows - he may have twatted a white bloke with a hammer next had he not been apprehended, and therefore be seen as a multi-racial psychotic madman.
And it was dark at the time...
nijinsky's fetlocks said:Rocket-footed kolarov said:nijinsky's fetlocks said:If you saw some daft lad on the street clearly mouthing the words 'black ****' to a passer by, would you assume he was racist, or would you have to conduct a series of tests to confirm it?
How many times would he have to repeat the act before you saw a pattern emerging?
Yes, Fetlocks but you have changed the context and you know it. It was two daft footballers winding each other who have known each other for a long period of time. Did Terry mean it, does he actually believe that people's worth depreciates with darker skin? Or was being his usual self- a ****? It was also a while ago so it is possible he could of change his views.
Since when did you have to ascertain underlying meaning to establish a racial element?
If you call someone a black ****, then you are making a racist insult, which is an offence.
It really is that simple.
Yes but courts or tribunals never set out to conclude that somebody is a racist, so using a punishment for using racist language is stepping ahead of yourself. It isn't the same as Ron Atkinson, where there was genuine hate and anger behind what he said, where we could easily draw the conclusion he is racist.
I fully accept a person's capacity to change and reform, but you judge this when it happened, not a few years hence when the penny finally drops and he realises that racism is wrong.
mcmanus said:zola said:Danamy said:Let me remind you that you're a guest on our forum and you should treat posters with respect, if it continues you'll be gone.
Check the CoC if your unsure of the rules on the forum
I'm happy to treat with respect those that show me the same courtesy, if on this board a "guest" is allowed to be abused but is threatened with banning if he dares speak out of turn to those abusing, then feel free to ban me.
Ta ra.
that would be much better than having them carry on in another thread as well ;)M18CTID said:mcmanus said:zola said:I'm happy to treat with respect those that show me the same courtesy, if on this board a "guest" is allowed to be abused but is threatened with banning if he dares speak out of turn to those abusing, then feel free to ban me.
Ta ra.
His point is a valid one IMO. Treat others as they treat you. If it ends up with him overstepping the mark in terms of the CoC then he'll be risking a ban of course but there would be some mitigation. To be fair, NF has held his hands up and admitted to throwing abuse at him in the first place so rather than banning both of them that ought to be the end of the issue.
M18CTID said:mcmanus said:zola said:I'm happy to treat with respect those that show me the same courtesy, if on this board a "guest" is allowed to be abused but is threatened with banning if he dares speak out of turn to those abusing, then feel free to ban me.
Ta ra.
His point is a valid one IMO. Treat others as they treat you. If it ends up with him overstepping the mark in terms of the CoC then he'll be risking a ban of course but there would be some mitigation. To be fair, NF has held his hands up and admitted to throwing abuse at him in the first place so rather than banning both of them that ought to be the end of the issue.