Chelsea Thread 2013/14

[ManCitizens.]

No reason to buy Willian ? hes a class player and he wont be joining a rival. makes sense to me

But with squad rules, and FFP it doesn't make much sense to buy a player purely to deprive a rival.

To be fair, us, Tottenham and Chelsea and to a lesser extent Cardiff are making FFP look pretty ineffective.

Spending £30m on a player doesn't equate to -£30m on your bank balance in FFP terms.

 

[DruntBlunt]

Anyone else hoping for a United win or draw against Chelsea?

Much as I see Chelsea as a far more dangerous rival for the title this season, I never ever under absolutely no circumstances want the scum to do well. Never. So... no.

 

[jared]

They possess a mind boggling number if young exciting attacking midfielders. In 2-3 years time, that group will be insane.

 

[Marvin]

They possess a mind boggling number if young exciting attacking midfielders. In 2-3 years time, that group will be insane.

I doubt it - players have to be intergrated into a team, and they've got an insane number of attacking midfielders.

You tell me how you can justify spending £30m on Willian, a player who has never scored more than 5 League goals in a season, when they have Mata, Oscar, Schurrle, Moses, De Bruyne, Hazard on the books and yet have a forward line up of Lukaku, Torres and Ba.

They are a toy for the whims of their owner. Every other club's transfer policy is run on footballing grounds - this move just smacks of spite.

I've posted this before, so apologies if you have already read it, but this sums it up perfectly.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/23/tottenham-chelsea-willian

Tottenham express outrage after Chelsea hijack Willian transfer
• Tottenham accuse rivals of waging a vendetta over £32m deal
• Roman Abramovich made personal call to Anzhi's owner

Jacob Steinberg and David Hytner
The Guardian, Friday 23 August 2013 22.59 BST

José Mourinho made little attempt to hide his delight at hijacking Tottenham Hotspur's move for Willian as the north London club raged behind the scenes about Chelsea's £32m capture of the Anzhi Makhachkala forward representing a vendetta against them.

Chelsea are confident that they will complete the transfer next week, subject to the Brazilian being granted a work permit, after the club's owner, Roman Abramovich, made a personal call to his fellow Russian oligarch, Suleyman Kerimov, the Anzhi owner.

Tottenham, who had seen off competition from Liverpool, thought that Willian was about to sign for them in a £30m deal after he completed a medical on Thursday. However, Abramovich finessed his contact with Kerimov and, to Tottenham's fury, Willian was on his way to Stamford Bridge, albeit for a slightly higher price. Tottenham, Mourinho suggested, had paid the price for not doing the medical "in secret".

The Tottenham manager, André Villas-Boas, who made an unsuccessful move for Willian in January, before the 25-year-old left Shakhtar Donetsk for Anzhi for £30m, had intended to make the player his principal threat in the line behind the striker; somebody to offset the anticipated departure of Gareth Bale to Real Madrid. Tottenham have now intensified their efforts to finalise a deal for Roma's £25m-rated forward Erik Lamela. That is understood to be close.

In the wake of Willian's U-turn, the complaints from White Hart Lane were loud and sustained. Daniel Levy, the chairman, was, according to sources, incandescent and there is the firm belief at Tottenham that Chelsea did not truly want Willian. Instead Tottenham feel that they have moved for him purely to prevent Villas-Boas from constructing a squad to challenge them in the Premier League this season. Chelsea deny this and insist they have always had an interest in Willian.

Tottenham also feel that Willian had no say in the transfer, that it was down purely to Abramovich, Kerimov and the player's advisers. Mourinho already has an abundance of options for the positions behind the striker, in the form of Eden Hazard, Oscar, André Schürrle, Juan Mata, Kevin De Bruyne and Victor Moses, and this has only increased the sense at Tottenham that Willian is not really needed at Chelsea.

The bad blood between the clubs was evident two summers ago, when Levy refused to sell Luka Modric to Chelsea in the face of a £40m offer and the midfielder's desire to go. Abramovich does not like Levy, while there is friction between Mourinho and Villas-Boas. They worked together at Porto, Chelsea and Internazionale but the relationship has soured. Their rivalry this season will be intense.

Chelsea strongly dispute Tottenham's version of events. They maintain that there is nothing underhand about their actions and it is understood that they have been looking at Willian long before this summer, almost signing him from Shakhtar two seasons ago. Although they were unable to reach a consensus over his value then, they have continued to target him and were considering making a bid earlier this summer. In the end it was Tottenham's proactivity that sparked Chelsea into action.

Mourinho's gloating will have done little to soothe Tottenham's anger. Rather than apologise for disrupting their plans, he revelled in snatching Willian from under their noses. He was initially vague, simply saying that he believed that the player had made his decision but when he was asked if that meant that Willian had chosen Chelsea, he made no effort to keep up the pretence. Instead he laughed and nodded.

Mourinho, who still wants to sign Wayne Rooney from Manchester United, said that the episode highlighted the danger of clubs conducting medicals before a contract has been signed, adding that this is why he prefers transfers to be done in secret. "That's the danger of medicals before contracts but, at the same time, if the contract and the medical after sometimes you can have a problem before signing a player so you have to do the medical before," Mourinho said. "The best thing you can do is do the medical in secret. The player is fine, you can sign him. The player is not fine, you don't destroy his career by saying the player has problems, so you do it in secret and after that sign the contract with the club and the player. Sometimes you don't make it. Sometimes you guys have great sources, find everything, but that's the risk."

The former Real Madrid manager was unable to resist one last dig at Tottenham. Asked whether he expected the deal to be completed without any complications, a mischievous grin spread across his face. "We have to do a medical," he said.

Mourinho did, however, sound a word of caution. "I don't like to speak before time because football can be crazy and this is the problem when we speak a lot about names and transfers," he said. "Sometimes it looks like he is but it isn't. But I know what the player wants, so we cannot hide."

Chelsea will have a surplus of attacking midfielders once Willian arrives and Mourinho, who wants a 22-man squad, said that players will leave before the transfer window shuts. However, while Demba Ba and Moses are potential casualties, Mourinho said Mata will not be sold, despite doubts remaining over the Spaniard's future at Stamford Bridge.

"He's a player we all like, he's a player we all want to keep," Mourinho said. "We want more quality in the team, we don't want less quality. We want to add quality to the quality we have. So Juan is not a player we want to lose. The point is not to sell, the point is I want a 22-player squad. So if somebody comes, do we need to sell? No, we don't. Do we need to loan? Probably yes because I don't like to work with big squads. I think 22 is a perfect number to answer to our needs in four competitions."

Despite that, Chelsea will still press ahead with their attempt to sign Rooney, which will add to the intrigue when they face United at Old Trafford on Monday night. United have already rejected two bids from Chelsea for the unsettled striker and Mourinho has said that he will wait until after Monday to make a third offer.

However, he rejected suggestions it would be strange to watch Rooney against his side. "I played against him with Real Madrid, with Chelsea and with Inter and the emotion is we have to be worried with a good player, but no more than that," he said.

 

[mat]

I know he's a **** bit i would love to see Mourinho whispering in the ear of wooney at the swamp pissing off gollum. After the match being interviewed,when asked he tells SKY, "I told him i'll see you in training Wednesday morning"

 

[LoveCity]

You tell me how you can justify spending £30m on Willian, a player who has never scored more than 5 League goals in a season

I don't understand the importance of goals with Willian? He's not a striker, he's an attacking midfielder and it's his job to create and cause problems. He got 8 goals and 15 assists in 35 games (all comps) last season for Shakhtar + Anzhi (including 4 goals and 3 assists in 6 games in the Champions League) and has 3 assists in 4 games for Anzhi so far this season.

So he's more of a creator who gets a goal here and there, much like Navas (who was a step away from joining Chelsea for around £28million when he was in his early 20s, but homesickness made them call it off). Willian is a fantastic player... maybe Chelsea don't need him, but I doubt any of us would complain if City added Willian to our horde of talent, especially as he's capable of playing on the left wing where there are still a few question marks in our squad.

 

[supercrystal7]

You tell me how you can justify spending £30m on Willian, a player who has never scored more than 5 League goals in a season

I don't understand the importance of goals with Willian? He's not a striker, he's an attacking midfielder and it's his job to create and cause problems. He got 8 goals and 15 assists in 35 games (all comps) last season for Shakhtar + Anzhi (including 4 goals and 3 assists in 6 games in the Champions League) and has 3 assists in 4 games for Anzhi so far this season.

So he's more of a creator who gets a goal here and there, much like Navas (who was a step away from joining Chelsea for around £28million when he was in his early 20s, but homesickness made them call it off). Willian is a fantastic player... maybe Chelsea don't need him, but I doubt any of us would complain if City added Willian to our horde of talent, especially as he's capable of playing on the left wing where there are still a few question marks in our squad.

Have to agree with this. William is a very good player and I don't see why people are questioning this. However, I don't think this signing adds anything to Chelsea unless possibly Mata and Moses are off. It was a strange signing and will be interesting to see where Mourinho wants to play him. It's possible Mourinho may even want to drop him deeper as the new replacement for Lampard, but surely Van Ginkel was bought for that?

 

[cmdub]

You tell me how you can justify spending £30m on Willian, a player who has never scored more than 5 League goals in a season

I don't understand the importance of goals with Willian? He's not a striker, he's an attacking midfielder and it's his job to create and cause problems. He got 8 goals and 15 assists in 35 games (all comps) last season for Shakhtar + Anzhi (including 4 goals and 3 assists in 6 games in the Champions League) and has 3 assists in 4 games for Anzhi so far this season.

So he's more of a creator who gets a goal here and there, much like Navas (who was a step away from joining Chelsea for around £28million when he was in his early 20s, but homesickness made them call it off). Willian is a fantastic player... maybe Chelsea don't need him, but I doubt any of us would complain if City added Willian to our horde of talent, especially as he's capable of playing on the left wing where there are still a few question marks in our squad.

Think pellegrini is at the moment content on using Silva/nasri/jovetic there but I agree with you as none of them are natural left wingers

 

[supercrystal7]

You tell me how you can justify spending £30m on Willian, a player who has never scored more than 5 League goals in a season

I don't understand the importance of goals with Willian? He's not a striker, he's an attacking midfielder and it's his job to create and cause problems. He got 8 goals and 15 assists in 35 games (all comps) last season for Shakhtar + Anzhi (including 4 goals and 3 assists in 6 games in the Champions League) and has 3 assists in 4 games for Anzhi so far this season.

So he's more of a creator who gets a goal here and there, much like Navas (who was a step away from joining Chelsea for around £28million when he was in his early 20s, but homesickness made them call it off). Willian is a fantastic player... maybe Chelsea don't need him, but I doubt any of us would complain if City added Willian to our horde of talent, especially as he's capable of playing on the left wing where there are still a few question marks in our squad.

Think pellegrini is at the moment content on using Silva/nasri/jovetic there but I agree with you as none of them are natural left wingers

I don't think you need a natural winger on both sides necessarily, especially if you have Navas on the other side. That being said Jovetic was a pretty orthodox winger, before he converted into a striker a couple of years ago.

 

[jared]

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I don't understand the importance of goals with Willian? He's not a striker, he's an attacking midfielder and it's his job to create and cause problems. He got 8 goals and 15 assists in 35 games (all comps) last season for Shakhtar + Anzhi (including 4 goals and 3 assists in 6 games in the Champions League) and has 3 assists in 4 games for Anzhi so far this season.

So he's more of a creator who gets a goal here and there, much like Navas (who was a step away from joining Chelsea for around £28million when he was in his early 20s, but homesickness made them call it off). Willian is a fantastic player... maybe Chelsea don't need him, but I doubt any of us would complain if City added Willian to our horde of talent, especially as he's capable of playing on the left wing where there are still a few question marks in our squad.

Think pellegrini is at the moment content on using Silva/nasri/jovetic there but I agree with you as none of them are natural left wingers

I don't think you need a natural winger on both sides necessarily, especially if you have Navas on the other side. That being said Jovetic was a pretty orthodox winger, before he converted into a striker a couple of years ago.

True. I dun think many top euro managers play 2 natural wingers nowadays. We would probably play a right footed traditional winger navas on the right and a right footed forward like jovetic on the left.