Chelsea Thread - 2022/23 | Pochettino confirmed as new manager

[ASHCFC]

You’d say that it isn’t worth much consideration but also that managers across Europe would join Chelsea because of it?

Haha. That's a huge spin on what I posted, and completely out of context with our previous conversation, which I think you fully realise :)

 

[ASHCFC]

Eclipse Chelsea? Lolololol. WTF is this shit? City are way bigger than Chelsea, goes back years, more than 100 years. You don't know football history, kidda. I am perfectly fine with clown after clown underestimating City with their 'before the takeover' shit. I'll leave it with one sliver of football history information, selected from many, many, many others. It is not Chelsea related because I have fuck all to offer on them. Arsehole club, they can shit off.

Liverpool reached their first FA Cup Final in 1965...first ever, not won, first ever. That competition was globally the Blue Riband football event and was until The Rags started to ruin it because they wanted to play Vasco De Gama or Marco Polo or Combine Harvester Sputnik, or something. The Champions League then finished it off. By 1965, historyless ickle City had only appeared in 6 finals, the utter glory commencing in 1904 where football's first superstar wore our blue. In one campaign, which ultimately culminated in a trophy, a paltry 84,569 rocked up at the tiny Maine Road. If only we had some fucking fucking fucking history.

Crack on.

That was an interesting read. Appreciated.

Just to avoid confusion, the word 'eclipse' was used in relation to the narrowest of subjects, that being current fan metrics.

It was not used in any relation to one club being 'bigger' than another (a pointless debate in my opinion) or who has more history (even more pointless).

I respect that your post was mostly historical, going back nearly 120 years, and it's always interesting to read historical recollections. Nearly 85k at Maine Road is an amazing spectacle to imagine.

 

[paska]

You think Chelsea are worth more than United?

The 4.5b was actually closer to 2.5b and a further promise of 1.75b investment over the coming years.

He paid 2.5bn to Roman and another 2bn to a fund for war relief. As well as those further promises

 

[paska]

Abramovich was a great owner for Chelsea fans who were happy to ignore where his money came from and enjoy the success. The guy is a glorified gangster. Terrible in so many ways that he was allowed to own an English football club. I say this as someone who was briefly employed by CFC during the Abramovich era.

The same can be said of our beloved HRH. He sits as deputy prime minister of a govt that would stone many of our fans, including myself

In footballing terms he’s been and is a great owner, one of the best, but in all honesty I agree that there are ethical problems – this is true of the majority of club’s owners by the way.

 

[paska]

Of course he would have know, Blue Partners Ltd brokered the deal. Johnson will have alerted all his cronies, over months as the whole thing was a PR stunt.

Of course it was a public relations exercise, but not during peace time.

For your statement to be true, Boehly would have had to have been one of the first people on the planet to know Putin’s plans, apart from maybe his generals…

 

[VOOMER]

Of course it was a public relations exercise, but not during peace time.

For your statement to be true, Boehly would have had to have been one of the first people on the planet to know Putin’s plans, apart from maybe his generals…

The conflict had been going on since 2014, this is an escalation. Embargo'shave been in place against Russia since 2012, threats to sieze the assets of Russian oligarchs for a decade. Roman was a prime target. Johnson would have been discussing options as he would have be made fully aware of Putins plans before they happened., all the worlds major leaders knew.
From that, the world of finance would have known and likes of Blue Partners and TB.No one was declare war on Russia, why would they when they can simply take assets.

 

[Cellarite]

Haha. That's a huge spin on what I posted, and completely out of context with our previous conversation, which I think you fully realise :)

Someone here posted that they couldn't see why a top manager would consider coming to Chelsea right now, and I pointed out that we remain, at this moment, one of the most popular teams internationally.

I'd probably say it isn't worth much consideration in the grand scheme. I would guess that social media hits/ follows are counted, as they are for practically everything these days.

Are you sure? These are your exact quotes on the subject. In the first one, you suggested that a top manager would consider coming to Chelsea because you are one of the most popular teams internationally.

In the second one, you say it isn't worth much consideration.

A top manager is going to look at the chaos at Chelsea right now, the constant chopping and changing of managers, the lack of Champions League football, having to sell to buy to avoid FFP sanctions, the owner appearing to interfere with every aspect of the running of the team.

They are not going to look at social media clicks and think "That's why I need to go to Chelsea."

 

[KS55]

According to stats on international fan bases, yes.

I think maybe you're confusing local fan bases with international ones. I do appreciate that numbers and therefore rankings can vary a little depending upon the metrics used, but the point remains solid - Chelsea are one of the most popular teams on the planet.

Chelsea: 106.5m
Liverpool: 101.6m
Bayern: 94.9m
Manchester City: 86.9m

You forgot the rags: 1,900 m.

 

[ASHCFC]

Are you sure? These are your exact quotes on the subject. In the first one, you suggested that a top manager would consider coming to Chelsea because you are one of the most popular teams internationally.

In the second one, you say it isn't worth much consideration.

A top manager is going to look at the chaos at Chelsea right now, the constant chopping and changing of managers, the lack of Champions League football, having to sell to buy to avoid FFP sanctions, the owner appearing to interfere with every aspect of the running of the team.

They are not going to look at social media clicks and think "That's why I need to go to Chelsea."

Yes, I'm 100% sure.

I've already explained, very very clearly to you, that I suggested to you that how such metrics are calculated probably aren't worth much consideration (at least, I don't hugely care), but that doesn't mean that they don't reflect some level of factual information.

This subject obviously resonates with you, so let's just agree that you're 100% right, I'm talking nonsense, and that your skills in winning this argument are to be hugely respected by everyone who reads this post :)

 

[waspish]

Are you sure? These are your exact quotes on the subject. In the first one, you suggested that a top manager would consider coming to Chelsea because you are one of the most popular teams internationally.

In the second one, you say it isn't worth much consideration.

A top manager is going to look at the chaos at Chelsea right now, the constant chopping and changing of managers, the lack of Champions League football, having to sell to buy to avoid FFP sanctions, the owner appearing to interfere with every aspect of the running of the team.

They are not going to look at social media clicks and think "That's why I need to go to Chelsea."

Managers will go there because the money they pay there managers

 

[KS55]

I think you're twisting my words a little here.

The fact of the matter is that if Putin didn't invade Ukraine then Abramovich would likely still be our owner. Chelsea fans didn't ask for any of this. We have no say. As I said, what happened to our club as a result of Putin is going to take time to work through. Chelsea fans don't decide any of it. We just support our team, like you do.

And if Abramovich was so close to Putin in the last few years, why didn't he get a heads up about Ukraine and sell the club before he got stripped of it?

I think he was trying to, just a bit too late. Just before he was sanctioned he sold his very expensive London mansion. Look up the Chelsea statement of 2nd March 2022. Full details of his sale plan.

 

[KS55]

The same can be said of our beloved HRH. He sits as deputy prime minister of a govt that would stone many of our fans, including myself

In footballing terms he’s been and is a great owner, one of the best, but in all honesty I agree that there are ethical problems – this is true of the majority of club’s owners by the way.

Er, it’s a long time since people were actually stoned in AbuDhabi even though it is still part of the Sharia, which the gov cannot touch.

 

[Cellarite]

Yes, I'm 100% sure.

I've already explained, very very clearly to you, that I suggested to you that how such metrics are calculated probably aren't worth much consideration (at least, I don't hugely care), but that doesn't mean that they don't reflect some level of factual information.

This subject obviously resonates with you, so let's just agree that you're 100% right, I'm talking nonsense, and that your skills in winning this argument are to be hugely respected by everyone who reads this post :)

Cheers pal. I knew you'd see sense in the end.

 

[ASHCFC]

I think he was trying to, just a bit too late. Just before he was sanctioned he sold his very expensive London mansion. Look up the Chelsea statement of 2nd March 2022. Full details of his sale plan.

A bit too late?! way too late I think.

I think that the timing of everything seems to say that Abramovich wasn't within Putin's circle of trust when things kicked off, as surely he'd have commenced a sale much sooner otherwise?

 

[mancityscot]

think people also forget they still have Nkunku, Malo Gusto and Andrey Santos joining them this summer too. Circus doesnt even begin to cover it.

 

[ASHCFC]

Cheers pal. I knew you'd see sense in the end.

Glad to be able to bring this chat to a satisfactory conclusion for you mate. Have a good day :)

 

[GaudinoMotors]

The same can be said of our beloved HRH. He sits as deputy prime minister of a govt that would stone many of our fans, including myself

In footballing terms he’s been and is a great owner, one of the best, but in all honesty I agree that there are ethical problems – this is true of the majority of club’s owners by the way.

Simplistic, lacking analysis and context - but no doubt you are pleased with the soundbite.

 

[aguero93:20]

Fair enough. I’ve never heard of fan metrics so I wasn’t aware that was a thing. No idea how you count fans though?

If you're hired to do it by the rags, you go into the stretford end at a rag home game, ask people if they recognise the club badge and extrapolate the percentage of yes answers to cover the entire world football watching population. Then you pretend they're all on a waiting list for season tickets.

 

[Cellarite]

Glad to be able to bring this chat to a satisfactory conclusion for you mate. Have a good day :)

You too my blue brother.

 

[Vialli98]

Are you sure? These are your exact quotes on the subject. In the first one, you suggested that a top manager would consider coming to Chelsea because you are one of the most popular teams internationally.

In the second one, you say it isn't worth much consideration.

A top manager is going to look at the chaos at Chelsea right now, the constant chopping and changing of managers, the lack of Champions League football, having to sell to buy to avoid FFP sanctions, the owner appearing to interfere with every aspect of the running of the team.

They are not going to look at social media clicks and think "That's why I need to go to Chelsea."

Chelsea will always attract top managers. We have been chopping and changing managers for 20 years. This isn't new. Managers still fall over themselves for a chance to manage Chelsea, unless his name is Pep.

It's obviously not Chelsea because there's something uniquely special about Chelsea that is the reason for this - it's because we are apart of a small group of a clubs at the top of European football who can offer talented players, spending money in the window and a reasonable chance to win trophies plus they get a huge pay off if it doesn't work out.

As long as that remains true, most top managers will be interested in coming to Chelsea. Nagelsmann for example, would be in high demand if he waits until the summer when the PSG and Real Madrid jobs become available, but he's currently putting a lot of effort into convincing Chelsea to pick him.