City to axe Mancini

[Didsbury Dave]

Because I know how the media and the PR machine works through my job.

That's not meant to be arrogant, it's a fact.

What Kidd said might be 100% true. But it also might be the truth with a positive spin on it.

That's the sensible way to look at it. That's how the machine works.

well it's a positive story, so it's going to be positive, whichever way you look at it.

I don't see how you can sugar coat a story that's essentially remained the same all week, you just chose not to believe it till now.

He said SWP is not an agitator. That may or may not be true.

He said that Mancini has told the dressing room to keep things in house. I'm sure that's true.

He said Tevez was sorting a family issue out. I would guess that's probably true but it sounds like there's more to it.

The imprtant thing was he's back for United. That's great news and is all that matters so the issue is put to bed for me.

He put this info out because of conflicting stories doing the rounds. That's PR.

Can't you see? Don't just accept all you are spoon fed as either gospel or bullshit. There are shades to it all.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

well it's a positive story, so it's going to be positive, whichever way you look at it.

I don't see how you can sugar coat a story that's essentially remained the same all week, you just chose not to believe it till now.

He said SWP is not an agitator. That may or may not be true.

He said that Mancini has told the dressing room to keep things in house. I'm sure that's true.

He said Tevez was sorting a family issue out. I would guess that's probably true but it sounds like there's more to it.

The imprtant thing was he's back for United. That's great news and is all that matters so the issue is put to bed for me.

He put this info out because of conflicting stories doing the rounds. That's PR.

Can't you see? Don't just accept all you are spoon fed as either gospel or bullshit. There are shades to it all.

I don't. I don't see where 95% of your post is relevant, but it's been clear Tevez was going back to be with his family and that he wasn't flying back till tomorrow, Mancini has added a few details in and I don't see any reason as to why they wouldn't be truthful.

 

[Glasgow Man City]

nothing to do with towing the party line GMC but all about the long term rise of our club.The last 8 years have been about progression (Keegan,COMS,1/4 finals,Semi finals) and the last 2 years we have kicked on big time.

Yeah & the competition we got to the 1/4's & semi's in we got put out of due to our manager playing a 3rd string against another EPL side - that was madness IMO

Our club success is by no means the sole responsibility of Mancini or any other manager its a team effort and I very much include the fans as being an integral part of that team.
I have seen over many years just how crucial the crowds attitude can be during a game. Last season it appeared that some fans suck the ball in to the net for a 97th minute winner while others blow the ball into our own net off the head of a little ginger git!!
Its all about belief and being positive about the future and not dwelling for too long on poor results or indeed basking in short term glory after a great performance.
I know I am preaching like a Pshychologist but we all must start living in the now ( and breath...)

I think we can win tomorrow, win Sunday.Cannot wait,1 week to go for the biggy

I agree with what you say about a team effort mate & I think you're right in it but look at the difference in the way we played in the 2 games you mention above. IMO one was full of passion & 1 involved far too much standing off. The only real difference was the manager.

As for results in the next week, I think we'll win tomorrow, I think we'll draw on Sunday & I hope to fuck we win a week today & if we play the way we did against Chelsea, we will.

Thats your opinion and your entitled to it however i saw very little apart from our performance against Chelsea towards the end of Hughes reign at City to suggest things were going to get better and we were gradually falling away from 4th place after starting extremely well. Mancini did a good job last season when he came in, not great, not outstanding, not enough to be labelled as a good but he did well enough despite us falling short at the final hurdle. He certainly did enough IMO to warrant being kept on and i said that numerous times towards the end of last season even when we were beaten of Spurs

This season he has no excuses, we no longer have a midfield who are extremely one paced with little creative ability and he's time to assess the squad and improve on areas he feels needed to be improved. Has he done a great job so far this season? Not in my eyes but he's done a good enough job so far and we're in an excellent position both in the leauge and in europe. People will have their doubts over him, they're entitled to their opinion and i respect that but for people to believe he's under some sort of pressure in terms of the sack because of two poor results is beyond me

I agree with what you say, except the 2 games bit. I'm basing my assessment of Mancini on his performances since he arrived, not on Arsenal & Wolves.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

nothing to do with towing the party line GMC but all about the long term rise of our club.The last 8 years have been about progression (Keegan,COMS,1/4 finals,Semi finals) and the last 2 years we have kicked on big time.

Yeah & the competition we got to the 1/4's & semi's in we got put out of due to our manager playing a 3rd string against another EPL side - that was madness IMO

Our club success is by no means the sole responsibility of Mancini or any other manager its a team effort and I very much include the fans as being an integral part of that team.
I have seen over many years just how crucial the crowds attitude can be during a game. Last season it appeared that some fans suck the ball in to the net for a 97th minute winner while others blow the ball into our own net off the head of a little ginger git!!
Its all about belief and being positive about the future and not dwelling for too long on poor results or indeed basking in short term glory after a great performance.
I know I am preaching like a Pshychologist but we all must start living in the now ( and breath...)

I think we can win tomorrow, win Sunday.Cannot wait,1 week to go for the biggy

I agree with what you say about a team effort mate & I think you're right in it but look at the difference in the way we played in the 2 games you mention above. IMO one was full of passion & 1 involved far too much standing off. The only real difference was the manager.

As for results in the next week, I think we'll win tomorrow, I think we'll draw on Sunday & I hope to fuck we win a week today & if we play the way we did against Chelsea, we will.

Thats your opinion and your entitled to it however i saw very little apart from our performance against Chelsea towards the end of Hughes reign at City to suggest things were going to get better and we were gradually falling away from 4th place after starting extremely well. Mancini did a good job last season when he came in, not great, not outstanding, not enough to be labelled as a good but he did well enough despite us falling short at the final hurdle. He certainly did enough IMO to warrant being kept on and i said that numerous times towards the end of last season even when we were beaten of Spurs

This season he has no excuses, we no longer have a midfield who are extremely one paced with little creative ability and he's time to assess the squad and improve on areas he feels needed to be improved. Has he done a great job so far this season? Not in my eyes but he's done a good enough job so far and we're in an excellent position both in the leauge and in europe. People will have their doubts over him, they're entitled to their opinion and i respect that but for people to believe he's under some sort of pressure in terms of the sack because of two poor results is beyond me

I agree with what you say, except the 2 games bit. I'm basing my assessment of Mancini on his performances since he arrived, not on Arsenal & Wolves.

sorry do you want to remember the truly horrendous 2nd round exit to Brighton and 3rd round FA Cup exit to Notts Forest with more first teamers playing and the numerous penalty shoot-outs it took to beat shit opposition in the UEFA Cup because we were crap under him until he had a good 2 months that put us around the top 4 before he went and drew every game for 2 months against mediocre teams before we got smashed by Spurs? No, well then don't go on about Mancini then.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

He said SWP is not an agitator. That may or may not be true.

He said that Mancini has told the dressing room to keep things in house. I'm sure that's true.

He said Tevez was sorting a family issue out. I would guess that's probably true but it sounds like there's more to it.

The imprtant thing was he's back for United. That's great news and is all that matters so the issue is put to bed for me.

He put this info out because of conflicting stories doing the rounds. That's PR.

Can't you see? Don't just accept all you are spoon fed as either gospel or bullshit. There are shades to it all.

I don't. I don't see where 95% of your post is relevant, but it's been clear Tevez was going back to be with his family and that he wasn't flying back till tomorrow, Mancini has added a few details in and I don't see any reason as to why they wouldn't be truthful.

Well let's just say SWP was leaking stories and was on the transfer list.

If that story becomes public it is terrible PR for the club, could create a war or words and could reduce his sell-on fee.

So there are three good reasons to leak it out that he's not an agitator.

I'm not saying he is, I don't know.

This is why cynicism is required at anything which appears in the press, regardless of authenticity of source. Remember Robinho loving City? Mancini seeing him fundamental to his plans? Royle having a job at City for life? Shinwatra having all his fincances under control? Jim Cassell wanting a job in the sunshine? Coppell being under intolerable pressure?

It's all PR mate. Everything you are fed is spun.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I don't. I don't see where 95% of your post is relevant, but it's been clear Tevez was going back to be with his family and that he wasn't flying back till tomorrow, Mancini has added a few details in and I don't see any reason as to why they wouldn't be truthful.

Well let's just say SWP was leaking stories and was on the transfer list.

If that story becomes public it is terrible PR for the club, could create a war or words and could reduce his sell-on fee.

So there are three good reasons to leak it out that he's not an agitator.

I'm not saying he is, I don't know.

This is why cynicism is required at anything which appears in the press, regardless of authenticity of source. Remember Robinho loving City? Mancini seeing him fundamental to his plans? Royle having a job at City for life? Shinwatra having all his fincances under control? Jim Cassell wanting a job in the sunshine? Coppell being under intolerable pressure?

It's all PR mate. Everything you are fed is spun.

i agree to a certain extent but that's your problem, you're so cynical about everything that sometimes, when it's better to do so, you can't take things at face value and accept it as that. I'm not criticising you, but it makes sense with the way you post, and I think sometimes you seem to think something must always be up, because you don't know everything that goes on within the club. For me, like anyone else's life, you have to assume it's ok like everything else, or you'd be told otherwise, and like in life, it depends on the source. If I tell you I'm unhappy, that's a genuine source, so you'd have every reason to believe what I say is true. If a paper(who's sole aim is to make as much money as possible each day, and the proven way to do that is to be as controversial and dramatic as possible) prints a story with no direct quotes to named individuals then you really have to take it with a pinch of salt, especially when it goes up against direct quotes from individuals involved.

 

[Blue Mooner]

can't you accept that Roberto and Brian may just be being absolutely truthful and honest and that what the article is the situation? instead of this "oh brian kidd's leaked it so obviously it's going to have been sweetened".

Because I know how the media and the PR machine works through my job.

That's not meant to be arrogant, it's a fact.

What Kidd said might be 100% true. But it also might be the truth with a positive spin on it.

That's the sensible way to look at it. That's how the machine works.

I'd rather trust information being put out by the people at the club than some half baked journalist doing a 'story' on us who's got readers to please and papers to sell and can write whatever suits his agenda.

Everything I'm reading from the players themselves, the manager and coaching staff is nothing but positive.

Perhaps what some journo's are writing has some truth in it but with a negative 'spin' it works both ways.

Whatever the truth (and no one really knows) we're still on track and no need for major panic.<br /><br />-- Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:25 pm --<br /><br />

Well let's just say SWP was leaking stories and was on the transfer list.

If that story becomes public it is terrible PR for the club, could create a war or words and could reduce his sell-on fee.

So there are three good reasons to leak it out that he's not an agitator.

I'm not saying he is, I don't know.

This is why cynicism is required at anything which appears in the press, regardless of authenticity of source. Remember Robinho loving City? Mancini seeing him fundamental to his plans? Royle having a job at City for life? Shinwatra having all his fincances under control? Jim Cassell wanting a job in the sunshine? Coppell being under intolerable pressure?

It's all PR mate. Everything you are fed is spun.

i agree to a certain extent but that's your problem, you're so cynical about everything that sometimes, when it's better to do so, you can't take things at face value and accept it as that. I'm not criticising you, but it makes sense with the way you post, and I think sometimes you seem to think something must always be up, because you don't know everything that goes on within the club. For me, like anyone else's life, you have to assume it's ok like everything else, or you'd be told otherwise, and like in life, it depends on the source. If I tell you I'm unhappy, that's a genuine source, so you'd have every reason to believe what I say is true. If a paper(who's sole aim is to make as much money as possible each day, and the proven way to do that is to be as controversial and dramatic as possible) prints a story with no direct quotes to named individuals then you really have to take it with a pinch of salt, especially when it goes up against direct quotes from individuals involved.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Well let's just say SWP was leaking stories and was on the transfer list.

If that story becomes public it is terrible PR for the club, could create a war or words and could reduce his sell-on fee.

So there are three good reasons to leak it out that he's not an agitator.

I'm not saying he is, I don't know.

This is why cynicism is required at anything which appears in the press, regardless of authenticity of source. Remember Robinho loving City? Mancini seeing him fundamental to his plans? Royle having a job at City for life? Shinwatra having all his fincances under control? Jim Cassell wanting a job in the sunshine? Coppell being under intolerable pressure?

It's all PR mate. Everything you are fed is spun.

i agree to a certain extent but that's your problem, you're so cynical about everything that sometimes, when it's better to do so, you can't take things at face value and accept it as that. I'm not criticising you, but it makes sense with the way you post, and I think sometimes you seem to think something must always be up, because you don't know everything that goes on within the club. For me, like anyone else's life, you have to assume it's ok like everything else, or you'd be told otherwise, and like in life, it depends on the source. If I tell you I'm unhappy, that's a genuine source, so you'd have every reason to believe what I say is true. If a paper(who's sole aim is to make as much money as possible each day, and the proven way to do that is to be as controversial and dramatic as possible) prints a story with no direct quotes to named individuals then you really have to take it with a pinch of salt, especially when it goes up against direct quotes from individuals involved.

The performances on the pitch and activities off the pitch make it obvious that all is not well. Things are not disastrous but they're not right.

So I will continue to think for myself as I always have done.

 

[Glasgow Man City]

sorry do you want to remember the truly horrendous 2nd round exit to Brighton and 3rd round FA Cup exit to Notts Forest with more first teamers playing and the numerous penalty shoot-outs it took to beat shit opposition in the UEFA Cup because we were crap under him until he had a good 2 months that put us around the top 4 before he went and drew every game for 2 months against mediocre teams before we got smashed by Spurs? No, well then don't go on about Mancini then.

Of course I remember these games & they were shit results. If Mancini had played a stronger team and we lost to West Brom then it would have been disappointing, the fact he played a 3rd team smacks of an arrogance we've not earned yet. It was also a kick in the nuts to the fans that paid good money & travelled to West Brom on a midweek night expecting another attempt at a cup run and instead got a reserve side at best.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

i agree to a certain extent but that's your problem, you're so cynical about everything that sometimes, when it's better to do so, you can't take things at face value and accept it as that. I'm not criticising you, but it makes sense with the way you post, and I think sometimes you seem to think something must always be up, because you don't know everything that goes on within the club. For me, like anyone else's life, you have to assume it's ok like everything else, or you'd be told otherwise, and like in life, it depends on the source. If I tell you I'm unhappy, that's a genuine source, so you'd have every reason to believe what I say is true. If a paper(who's sole aim is to make as much money as possible each day, and the proven way to do that is to be as controversial and dramatic as possible) prints a story with no direct quotes to named individuals then you really have to take it with a pinch of salt, especially when it goes up against direct quotes from individuals involved.

The performances on the pitch and activities off the pitch make it obvious that all is not well. Things are not disastrous but they're not right.

So I will continue to think for myself as I always have done.

all is not well at any club, we've got new players and it takes time. Some players will inevitably be unhappy, but some always have been and always will be, it's life.<br /><br />-- Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:32 pm --<br /><br />

sorry do you want to remember the truly horrendous 2nd round exit to Brighton and 3rd round FA Cup exit to Notts Forest with more first teamers playing and the numerous penalty shoot-outs it took to beat shit opposition in the UEFA Cup because we were crap under him until he had a good 2 months that put us around the top 4 before he went and drew every game for 2 months against mediocre teams before we got smashed by Spurs? No, well then don't go on about Mancini then.

Of course I remember these games & they were shit results. If Mancini had played a stronger team and we lost to West Brom then it would have been disappointing, the fact he played a 3rd team smacks of an arrogance we've not earned yet. It was also a kick in the nuts to the fans that paid good money & travelled to West Brom on a midweek night expecting another attempt at a cup run and instead got a reserve side at best.

I agree, and I'm hurt by it, but I'm not gonna keep calling for his head every week, I'm gonna back him and give him a chance to prove me wrong and let the team get on with it. if they don't play well, trust me I'll say so, I don't have a problem with that, I'm just tired of the same old agendas, if you don't like him fine, we know, you don't have to keep telling us and using it as an argument.