When they don't win the cup and miss out on 4th place by a point or two , then let them tell us how important this result was.
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jimmygrimblesboots
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nice to see the swampees celebrating like they had won a cup final when they actually luckily avoided defeat in a derby game , how the mighty have fallen , they come to the Etihad grovelling for a draw ,at least they managed one shot on target this time , but if i had to watch the shite PEG produces every week i would seriously consider taking up a more exciting pastime like watching paint dry , far more appealing . PEG is a complete coward he will never take on a team that plays good football.
jimmygrimblesboots
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I simply cannot see any logic in how the draw was a better result for United than us at this point in the season.
If anything, avoiding defeat practically guarantees our top 4 place and puts us in pole position for 3rd with our remaining fixtures.
Not only are 3 of our remaining 5 games at home, but 4 of the teams have nothing at all to play for. The perfect games at this stage of the season.
There is not a cat in hells chance they are finishing in the top 4 this season and I'd love it is Celta knocked them out the EL.
The negative one and his shite tactics don't deserve to be anywhere near the CL.
Spot on , the Rags HAD to win that game , their run-in is horrendous they might avoid defeat until the next season but whilst PEG in charge the Rags will win f*ck all , with their negative Wimbledon tactics
sir baconface
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It wasn't as if they even came to counter-attack. That coward Mourinho's sole aspiration was to destroy football and avoid losing.
On a different note, Kun did bait bogbrush and he fell for it. While I don't normally like gamesmanship of this sort, it was 100% justified against that thug. We owed him.
On a different note, Kun did bait bogbrush and he fell for it. While I don't normally like gamesmanship of this sort, it was 100% justified against that thug. We owed him.
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Oh I wasn't trying to defend them, they were truly awful, as I said the worst united side I've seen in a very long time. For all our better football though we huff and puff and often don't achieve enough.I agree but at least we try and play football. United were awful on thursday. Celebrating at the end when they got a point like all small clubs do really shows how far they have fallen in their fans eyes as a team. That spoke volumes for me.
Its interesting that despite two very different styles of football (and I certainly wouldn't want to have to pay to watch theirs), we are still only separated by 1 point after 33 matches, and we are still relying on an old guard who we should have started replacing 4 or 5 years ago, despite many incomings and outgoings, whilst they are a virtually a new squad entirely.
I don't think you understand football if you don't realise how important and valuable players like Ibra and Rojo are to United. A player who is allowed to cripple an opponent and get nothing worse than a lecture is absolutely invaluable in a derby.I can't get over them celebrating a 0-0. Go back ten years and tell them this would be the case. Haha. And the injury excuse holds no water with me. We've had Kompany out most of the season, Gundogan out for ages including last night and the most important of all, one of if not the best players to ever play in the Premier League and derby specialist David Silva. If they claim studs up Rojo and comedy face Jones are as missed as Merlin they are chatting more shit than usual.
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It's true that United didn't play in the way a club which believes itself to be the biggest club in the world would ever play: it actually played like a club which knows it's nowhere near being the biggest in Manchester. But we showed all our failings this season in inglorious technicolor: our thrilling attack could not get past their "resolute" defence. Yet when the actual players are named that defence - Valencia, Blind, Bailly, Darmian - should have been breakfast for our attack. And only at the end of the season will we know who really benefits from the result, City or United - or Liverpool or Arsenal.
The TV post-match analysis seemed to suggest that City had the harder task for next season. Part 2 of Mourinho's "plan" was simply to change wins into draws and this would be relatively straightforward with "Rash" and Anthony. This ignores the fact that it has taken a player already older than any of City's "dad's army" to score the goals to change defeats into draws and his career, certainly at OT, is in serious danger of having ended. The clean sheet at City was only achieved by keeping all eleven in their own half and, most of the time considerably further back than half way. To turn this draw into a win would have involved committing more players to attack more of the time and thus running the risk of seeing the draw changed into a defeat.
This is not to say that City don't have problems. Our defence is nowhere near as shaky as often claimed: only Chelsea and Spurs have scored more and conceded fewer, but like United our defensive solidity appears to have been secured at the expense of a certain offensive bluntness. On Thursday we were slower to get the fullbacks out of defence an up. Zaba's gloriously thrilling overlaps are a thing of the past: Kolorov' left foot is still the best in the PL but he is know slower than ever. Ya Ya still drives forward in thrilling fashion, but that fashion is just a bit slower and a bit more plodding than when he was in his pomp. The first great City team - Mancini's first great City team - is passing. But if you were to back one man to remedy the effects of Father Time and build a second great team, who else would you put your money on than Guardiola?
The TV post-match analysis seemed to suggest that City had the harder task for next season. Part 2 of Mourinho's "plan" was simply to change wins into draws and this would be relatively straightforward with "Rash" and Anthony. This ignores the fact that it has taken a player already older than any of City's "dad's army" to score the goals to change defeats into draws and his career, certainly at OT, is in serious danger of having ended. The clean sheet at City was only achieved by keeping all eleven in their own half and, most of the time considerably further back than half way. To turn this draw into a win would have involved committing more players to attack more of the time and thus running the risk of seeing the draw changed into a defeat.
This is not to say that City don't have problems. Our defence is nowhere near as shaky as often claimed: only Chelsea and Spurs have scored more and conceded fewer, but like United our defensive solidity appears to have been secured at the expense of a certain offensive bluntness. On Thursday we were slower to get the fullbacks out of defence an up. Zaba's gloriously thrilling overlaps are a thing of the past: Kolorov' left foot is still the best in the PL but he is know slower than ever. Ya Ya still drives forward in thrilling fashion, but that fashion is just a bit slower and a bit more plodding than when he was in his pomp. The first great City team - Mancini's first great City team - is passing. But if you were to back one man to remedy the effects of Father Time and build a second great team, who else would you put your money on than Guardiola?
We need to get off more ON TARGET shots against teams that park the bus, with the team being told to follow them up. The amount of times Toure and De Bruyne were on the edge of the box and kept on passing sideways as I shouted SHOOT!!!! The problem for us is me have three teams to come at home who will play the same way and carry more threat than the rags up front.
The Riot Club
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It's true that United didn't play in the way a club which believes itself to be the biggest club in the world would ever play: it actually played like a club which knows it's nowhere near being the biggest in Manchester. But we showed all our failings this season in inglorious technicolor: our thrilling attack could not get past their "resolute" defence. Yet when the actual players are named that defence - Valencia, Blind, Bailly, Darmian - should have been breakfast for our attack. And only at the end of the season will we know who really benefits from the result, City or United - or Liverpool or Arsenal.
The TV post-match analysis seemed to suggest that City had the harder task for next season. Part 2 of Mourinho's "plan" was simply to change wins into draws and this would be relatively straightforward with "Rash" and Anthony. This ignores the fact that it has taken a player already older than any of City's "dad's army" to score the goals to change defeats into draws and his career, certainly at OT, is in serious danger of having ended. The clean sheet at City was only achieved by keeping all eleven in their own half and, most of the time considerably further back than half way. To turn this draw into a win would have involved committing more players to attack more of the time and thus running the risk of seeing the draw changed into a defeat.
This is not to say that City don't have problems. Our defence is nowhere near as shaky as often claimed: only Chelsea and Spurs have scored more and conceded fewer, but like United our defensive solidity appears to have been secured at the expense of a certain offensive bluntness. On Thursday we were slower to get the fullbacks out of defence an up. Zaba's gloriously thrilling overlaps are a thing of the past: Kolorov' left foot is still the best in the PL but he is know slower than ever. Ya Ya still drives forward in thrilling fashion, but that fashion is just a bit slower and a bit more plodding than when he was in his pomp. The first great City team - Mancini's first great City team - is passing. But if you were to back one man to remedy the effects of Father Time and build a second great team, who else would you put your money on than Guardiola?
I agree with all of this. He just needs the funds to get who he needs.
And no more average buys like Nolito, Delph and Navas. We have to go for it this summer to overhaul Chelsea and Spurs.
It's criminal how we've slipped after being in a position to dominate this league.
The Riot Club
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It wasn't as if they even came to counter-attack. That coward Mourinho's sole aspiration was to destroy football and avoid losing.
On a different note, Kun did bait bogbrush and he fell for it. While I don't normally like gamesmanship of this sort, it was 100% justified against that thug. We owed him.
I loved it and it's about bloody time.
That kind of thing helped get Utd and Arsenal trophies for years.
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Controlled the game but as said, no real cutting edge. I would love to see Aguero and Jesus start together, think sometimes the over-complication of the midfield 'build-up' with just Serg up front costs us. He still scores plenty of course but he and us always seems to excel as an attacking force when he has a strike-partner. I do think that with 2 dynamic full-backs we will have an extra dimension, especially when Sane and Sterling blow cold, the latter becoming a worry as he should be doing far better. Maybe he just isn't that great...... Full-backs did okay Thursday though
The Riot Club
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Be funny for Wenger to put Moureen to sleep next week when the rags visit the Emirates. Didn't realise that after Swansea at home tomorrow (where they could fuck up) They have 3 away trips Arse, Spurs & Southampton in a row and 2 Celta Vigo games lol
I hope the vile bastards lose every fucking one of those games.
I think we just needed a deflection, a break of the ball, a long shot, goal from a set-piece. Given our dominance the odds of something like that happening are decent, just didn't fall that way. They defended so deep and in so many numbers, you need to be Messi to dribble through. Again we weren't at our best, not arguing we were amazing, but i don't think it was poor either. Sterling and especially Sane's movement wasn't good enough, Aguero had a bunch of half chances and you'd expect him to take one at least, but better teams that ourselves have struggled to break teams down like that. We're not talking about Middlesbrough either, they have good, experienced players and a manager who specialises in this type of performance. To win that kind of match is one of the hardest things in football.
Agree we miss Silva and have no-one else like him, but we still created enough openings to score, and with the first goal it changes the whole game.
Messi missed a few last week.
Perhaps Arsenal now regretting kicking Silva out of last week's game and this.
Seeing we were worried about tiredness after the semi and extra time taking its toll on the team, and not wanting to risk too many defenders pressing forward and risking a breakaway, and how close we came to a winner, I don't get the negativity.
OB1
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I don't think we should be crowing too much about their drawing home games, we're only 2 behind, and we've played 1 game less, we equally fail to put games to bed at home.
Don't think Billy is crowing about anything.
Not speaking for Billy here but plenty of us think that City's biggest problem is a mental one and it is very evident that Pep thinks City have a mentality problem.
As to the Rags, I'd rather have our squad, manager, prospects and, of course, supporters (despite thinking too many are miserable whingers). I don't obsess our that lot from Trafford like many do but I do dislike them intensely for all the obvious reasons. However, they are just one of a number of serious rivals and I can envisage the battle to be England's top team once again being between us and them but that is by no means a racing certainty.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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It wasn't as if they even came to counter-attack. That coward Mourinho's sole aspiration was to destroy football and avoid losing.
On a different note, Kun did bait bogbrush and he fell for it. While I don't normally like gamesmanship of this sort, it was 100% justified against that thug. We owed him.
I've not seen much of the footage other than the attempt to take out Aguero from behind and Bogbrush's attempt at a Glasgow kiss, but I must say I am rather amused that the goons on Football Focus are sagely nodding that Aguero was as aggressive. Did Sergio stick the nut on someone that ref and the RagDipperArseHaringeyMeedya missed? I think you will be hard pushed to find another striker in the PL who is hacked, chopped and ta!pped as much as Sergio is, often without the return he should get from refs, but to suggest he was as aggressive as the Moronic Mourinho Mafioso Marouane is stretching it a bit. But then FF is the BBC. They have an agenda yer know
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Don't think Billy is crowing about anything.
Not speaking for Billy here but plenty of us think that City's biggest problem is a mental one and it is very evident that Pep thinks City have a mentality problem.
As to the Rags, I'd rather have our squad, manager, prospects and, of course, supporters (despite thinking too many are miserable whingers). I don't obsess our that lot from Trafford like many do but I do dislike them intensely for all the obvious reasons. However, they are just one of a number of serious rivals and I can envisage the battle to be England's top team once again being between us and them but that is by no means a racing certainty.
Whilst I agree there is a mentality problem with City, Pep has been brought here to rectify that problem and we do play the game the right way unlike that lot down the road, who at the moment seem to think kicking the ball as long and high you can constitutes good football. I know which team I would rather watch, although I have just watched the clowns on sky telling us fans that it was a defensive master class from United and that city were there for the taking and Mersen saying that we have to change way we play! We all understand thir agenda but don't insult our intelligence.
sir baconface
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I hope the vile bastards lose every fucking one of those games.
A balanced, carefully considered and expertly crafted post. Impossible not to like.
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Excuse me, Ric, but we've also had a cartload of bad decisions against us this season. I really don't remember a season quite like it. And I haven't been following United closely (it's bad for my health), but from what everybody who's been watching them says, they had – Rojo especially – astonishingly benign refs in the earlier part of the season.
This all day long.
I've not seen much of the footage other than the attempt to take out Aguero from behind and Bogbrush's attempt at a Glasgow kiss, but I must say I am rather amused that the goons on Football Focus are sagely nodding that Aguero was as aggressive. Did Sergio stick the nut on someone that ref and the RagDipperArseHaringeyMeedya missed? I think you will be hard pushed to find another striker in the PL who is hacked, chopped and ta!pped as much as Sergio is, often without the return he should get from refs, but to suggest he was as aggressive as the Moronic Mourinho Mafioso Marouane is stretching it a bit. But then FF is the BBC. They have an agenda yer know
It all stems from Peg's after match comments where he accused Kun to be partly to blame for the red card (can't remember his exact words) but it has been picked up and exaggerated by rag pundits and all the rag media until it has now become fact.
We've seen similar before haven't we Raheem.
sir baconface
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Whilst I agree there is a mentality problem with City, Pep has been brought here to rectify that problem and we do play the game the right way unlike that lot down the road, who at the moment seem to think kicking the ball as long and high you can constitutes good football. I know which team I would rather watch, although I have just watched the clowns on sky telling us fans that it was a defensive master class from United and that city were there for the taking and Mersen saying that we have to change way we play! We all understand thir agenda but don't insult our intelligence.
Yeah, we've had a good moan this week but Manc football is now from two different planets.
I'm amazed why only a minority of rags seem to realise they sold their soul to the devil when they brought the eye gouger in to manage them. Are they just desperate or is it cuz dey fick?