City v Wigan Post Match Thread (FA Cup)

[cleavers]

Point 5. School in the morning for you - FACT

Sadcafe more like it.

fuck off...

now abuse your mod status by banning me...

pathetic

My "mod status" has nothing to do with it, I was just stating my opinion, even as a "mod" I'm allowed one, and as you say said yourself you rarely post on here, I was just offering my opinion as to why not. (I'll ignore the personal abuse you offer on my opinion).

 

[Uptop]

I don't think team selection is a good excuse.

The players that were picked today should still comfortably beat that Wigan team. They players that were selected did not perform and should take most of the blame.

I would agree however I think the reason even though our players are better than Wigans, we play a type of football that requires specific qualities which our backup players just do not possess, so even though our players might be better the team does not fit together well and the whole system breaks down. This I feel is why when many changes are made to the first choice players we play so poorly.

Not trying to shit on other teams style of play but its fairly easy to sit and defend and hit a team on the counter compared to trying to play an expansive possession based style. Unfortunately our squad and club as a whole is still developing this more continental style of play, I am sure in the next 5-10 years we will see the results of this change where all our players from youth to first team are all capable of playing the same way. Currently that is not the case and it shows when the second string players get picked.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

You should know better. How many fucking managers do we want at City? Disgraceful comment.

I'm afraid that whatever we think may or may not happen withFFP it is already forcing our hand .
Without the constraints of this contrived piece of market rigging we would have already improved the depth of our squad to the point where we could have sent out a much more convincing side than we did today.
Sadly , although as fans of domestic competition , we would love to have lifted the FA cup , the prestige and revenues accruing from winning it are negligible in comparison to even just appearing in the CL , that's just a sad fact of life.
Until such times as the scam that is FFP is successfully challenged and thrown out , then our owners and their legal team will strive to comply , as it puts the club in a good light with the relevant authorities and strengthens our long term aims , and that means an amount of prioritising like it or not.

Long termism(clumsy but you know what I mean) is the hallmark of our owners' strategy , they know that sacrifices have to be made on the road to long term success. They also hope that most of us fans will recognise this and will come along with them . It's a long and hard road and we will need to show the patience , resilience and God knows , the sense of humour that has kept us believing through so many years of desperate disappointment.
Keep believing - it will be worth it!

Very eloquent but I'm afraid you may have missed the point. Domestic success breeds CL entry which in itself breeds more success. Today was about bad management . Wholesale changes for a competition which we had every chance of winning shows either dreadful naivety ( by thinking we can win the CL this year as a priority ) or bad management through totally under-estimating Wigan (Cup Holders at our expense remember).
Either way the starting lineup wasn't good enough, we've embarrassed ourselves and probably given Hull a shot in the arm for the next game which will probably define the rest of the season

SUCCESS BREEDS SUCCESS - but likewise defeat breeds defeat ----- just a thought

Well yes , but winning the FA cup doesn't get you anywhere in Europe . Winning the PL does , and winning the CL does , so further progress in those two competitions was prioritised by the boss today , sadly demonstrating , as you say , the line - up wasn't good enough - I think for the reasons I previously stated .
Let's see what happens in Spain and Hull and then we'll know if today's decision making worked or not.

 

[steviemc]

I don't think team selection is a good excuse.

The players that were picked today should still comfortably beat that Wigan team. They players that were selected did not perform and should take most of the blame.

I would agree however I think the reason even though our players are better than Wigans, we play a type of football that requires specific qualities which our backup players just do not possess, so even though our players might be better the team does not fit together well and the whole system breaks down. This I feel is why when many changes are made to the first choice players we play so poorly.

Not trying to shit on other teams style of play but its fairly easy to sit and defend and hit a team on the counter compared to trying to play an expansive possession based style. Unfortunately our squad and club as a whole is still developing this more continental style of play, I am sure in the next 5-10 years we will see the results of this change where all our players from youth to first team are all capable of playing the same way. Currently that is not the case and it shows when the second string players get picked.

But we took off Toure, Negredo and Navas, and played better, These are in no way second string players, so doesn't this suggest that it may have been our more influential first string players that were not performing to their potential?

 

[Anonymous]

Sadcafe more like it.

fuck off...

now abuse your mod status by banning me...

pathetic

My "mod status" has nothing to do with it, I was just stating my opinion, even as a "mod" I'm allowed one, and as you say said yourself you rarely post on here, I was just offering my opinion as to why not. (I'll ignore the personal abuse you offer on my opinion).

bollocks, you insult me with a rag reference and now you're claiming the moral high ground...

I made a post earlier with a number of what I felt we're valid points...

Instant reaction from keyboard warrior no #1 was a load of insults.

Now you turn up with some pathetic rag reference but I'm in the wrong.

Fuck you... and stick your fucking Mod status up your arse..

 

[Eccles Blue]

Ya Ya had to come off before the ref sent him off!! He was a liability again! He was lucky he didn't get a second yellow.

It was a bad day at the office & changing the back 4 was part of the problem. We need a team & today that was a bunch of individuals.

But there is still a lot to play for & the one thing I thought as I walked away from the ground was; "thank goodness I was there & not reading the match day thread on Bluemoon"!!!!!!! ;-)

 

[cleavers]

Peller's ability to manage the squad has to come under serious scrutiny. I'd like to know whyafter the warford game he made similar changes to our defense with the same result except this time we didn't recover.

Why when we have had so many games is Milner not even getting a sniff of start ing games yet Navas is pellers emrgency get out.

I thought exactly this when I saw the line ups, I said to a colleague that this defence had us 0-2 against Watford at half time, and at half time he jokingly said to me, that's an improvement then, to which I laughed, but unlike Watford we changed nothing, and within 2 minutes it was the same scoreline. At that point I knew we were in trouble, because Wigan are markedly better than Watford, and so they showed, we had enough chances to still get out of trouble, but we put ourselves in big trouble in that 2 minutes after half time, firstly by changing nothing, and secondly by conceding again. The first goal should not have been too costly, we had an hour to sort it out, but without a shot of note in 45 minutes why was nothing changed, it clearly wasn't working.

I won't question MP's rotation, because for the most part this season he's managed it well, today it didn't work, but little credit is being given to Uwe, who also rotated, but got his plan right (though we handed him the initiative sadly).

The reactionary idiots on this thread (and others), and those who I don't believe are real blues, can carry on posting their opinions, and I'll post mine on them.

Managers have shit days at the office, players have shit days at the office, today we managed to have both do it, and we need a reaction now, on Wednesday, but far more importantly next week at Hull.

6 points in the next 2 league games will make things look far rosier than they do right now, no matter what happens on Wednesday night.

 

[Uptop]

I don't think team selection is a good excuse.

The players that were picked today should still comfortably beat that Wigan team. They players that were selected did not perform and should take most of the blame.

I would agree however I think the reason even though our players are better than Wigans, we play a type of football that requires specific qualities which our backup players just do not possess, so even though our players might be better the team does not fit together well and the whole system breaks down. This I feel is why when many changes are made to the first choice players we play so poorly.

Not trying to shit on other teams style of play but its fairly easy to sit and defend and hit a team on the counter compared to trying to play an expansive possession based style. Unfortunately our squad and club as a whole is still developing this more continental style of play, I am sure in the next 5-10 years we will see the results of this change where all our players from youth to first team are all capable of playing the same way. Currently that is not the case and it shows when the second string players get picked.

But we took off Toure, Negredo and Navas, and played better, These are in no way second string players, so doesn't this suggest that it may have been our more influential first string players that were not performing to their potential?

Yeah that is true, but again I think their performances could be due to players around them. Maybe thats a bit of a cop-out thing to say but like I was trying to get at our team needs specific qualities and when certain ones aren't met the whole thing breaks down.

We know Yaya is not the most mobile and without Fernandinho generally players below his potential, so partnered with Garcia there is not enough intensity to close down and Yaya isn't as free to do his thing. I feel if we had a backup similar to Ferd instead of Garcia playing, Yaya would have been able to play better.

Negredo has been on a long run of below his best and I missed parts of the match but I didn't see him get many chances to do much with the ball, possibly due to lack of creativity and Wigan defending deep. The same with Aguero, other than in the second half I can't remember him getting any service.

Navas was crying out for support from Richards but nothing was coming, I feel if Zaba was playing he would have been more effective but Richards seemed reluctant to come forward. Always against 2+ defenders defending deep makes it difficult for him to use his pace.

So ye, I agree certain players did not seem to have the right mentality but I just feel when we bring in our backup players they don't quite fit out team right and that means our system breaks down and you get disjointed performances like we seen today. I hope our vision of where the club wants to go will mean we bring in players to suit this type of play so when we rotate players we can continue to play fluidly.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Now, before anyone starts, I know I am a man of few posts but that just means I haven't been posting for long and not that I am of the rag persuasion!
I enjoy reading this forum and it looks like the vast majority like to express an opinion in an open and honest fashion. There is, however, a trend which is somewhat worrisome. As a lifelong blue I understand disappointment, constructive criticism and even anger on occasion. What i read in many posts is some sort of entitlement. Other teams are not allowed to play well against us, ever. We can never, ever, have an 'off-day'. If referees give us anything then so they should. If they don't, they are all cheating and bent! Everyone hates us and there is a massive agenda against us. These things seem to be somewhat unlikely. Sometimes the opposition make the most of their day, as we used to do when we were near the bottom or in a different division. Some referees make some mistakes, as do players and, dare I say it, some supporters.
Some of you seem to have forgotten the cameraderie and sense of humour, for which we were famed. Some of you seem to expect to win whilst offering nothing when things are not going perfectly. Constant criticism of players, the manager and fellow supporters is not always helpful. The boys might well need us now as much as they have ever done. Let's get behind them and lose any sense of entitlement. I thought that belonged in a different place.

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

Peller's ability to manage the squad has to come under serious scrutiny. I'd like to know whyafter the warford game he made similar changes to our defense with the same result except this time we didn't recover.

Why when we have had so many games is Milner not even getting a sniff of start ing games yet Navas is pellers emrgency get out.

I thought exactly this when I saw the line ups, I said to a colleague that this defence had us 0-2 against Watford at half time, and at half time he jokingly said to me, that's an improvement then, to which I laughed, but unlike Watford we changed nothing, and within 2 minutes it was the same scoreline. At that point I knew we were in trouble, because Wigan are markedly better than Watford, and so they showed, we had enough chances to still get out of trouble, but we put ourselves in big trouble in that 2 minutes after half time, firstly by changing nothing, and secondly by conceding again. The first goal should not have been too costly, we had an hour to sort it out, but without a shot of note in 45 minutes why was nothing changed, it clearly wasn't working.

I won't question MP's rotation, because for the most part this season he's managed it well, today it didn't work, but little credit is being given to Uwe, who also rotated, but got his plan right (though we handed him the initiative sadly).

The reactionary idiots on this thread (and others), and those who I don't believe are real blues, can carry on posting their opinions, and I'll post mine on them.

Managers have shit days at the office, players have shit days at the office, today we managed to have both do it, and we need a reaction now, on Wednesday, but far more importantly next week at Hull.

6 points in the next 2 league games will make things look far rosier than they do right now, no matter what happens on Wednesday night.

2 league wins in a row will help a lot but our form needs to seriously improve.We haven't been in good form now for a long time with the exception of Spurs away against anything close to a good team or one that sets out to defend and knows how to.Spurs aside we have only scored goals against WHU,Blackburn and Watford.

Whatever happens at Barca we need to up our game or we won't win at Hull never mind all the other away games we have.