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[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

Ta.

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

He already did ask that last couple of years, Putin asks for stuff he knows are too ridiculous to consider, which is his premise for legitimising anything.

Oh. Well it'd be one way to stop all the bickering though hopefully.

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

Therefore hardly to do with gas prices as the US aren't doing anything.

You know what i wish i felt the same. Quite a bit of psychology in this. The US raised the possibility of Russia doing a false flag, ie start the fighting, blame it on a filmed Ukraine attack (with supposed Ukrainians but really Russians in Ukraine uniform doing the attack). Do we really know if the US/West wouldnt try the same thing because of past indescretions by Putin ie the poisoning of Russians on UK soil, Crimea etc etc. Whatever happens its bloody awful. Sons, fathers, brothers, innocent bystanders all in body bags, grief, lives ruined for years, the consequences are too awful to imagine. Have these world leaders learnt nothing from the last 100 years.

 

[samuelyeboah]

this is a moot point as russia is not going to invade ukraine

 

[BufordUSABlue]

Basically Ukraine gets loads of money for having the pipeline run through their country. They used to get gas from Russia at mates rates, when Ukraine decided they’ve got a new best friend in Europe, Russia put the gas price up in Ukraine, which they didn’t like and refused so Russia ended up turning the pipe off on New Year’s Day, just read it was 2009 but thought it was later than that.

Anyway, that’s when things got a bit shit between the two.

Nord stream 2 means gas goes directly to Germany under the Baltic Sea, Ukraine don’t want this, and neither do Poland, as they both want the transit money.

The joke of cancelling Nord stream 2 is if Russia invade Ukraine, they don’t need nord stream 2 as they’ll have the Ukrainian pipeline. That said, that doesn’t increase the amount of gas they can deliver in the short term. But what Russia can’t deliver in pipes they turn into LNG and ship anyway, however it’s more expensive.

Europe doesn’t want the resilience on Russian gas, because if they have an argument the Russians then hold the cards, but Europe haven’t spent the money on renewables that they should have, because they’re stupid. So now Europe are all a bit fucked. Except maybe France as they use nuclear for electricity, most power plants use gas you see, so a high gas price equals a high electricity price too.

Ukraine want to join NATO after their falling out, Russia won’t have it and will invade Ukraine before that happens and have already annexed Crimea in 2014.

The west have their hands tied as they need Russian resources. So even if they want to get involved, it’ll only be by proxy.

cheers Blue - you should be reporting for SKY/Beeb ! There again, as this is the truth, you have no chance, sorry mate!

 

[BufordUSABlue]

this is a moot point as russia is not going to invade ukraine

H'mmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[JamesMCFC]

Probably already been covered so apologies if it has but do we rely a lot on Russian gas?

I heard Rolls Royce are building those mini nuclear reactors so hopefully we won't need to rely on foreign gas soon enough

 

[whipper]

You can certainly bet arms sales will be up worldwide after this that’s for sure.

A major conflict every decade since the 2nd World War, its how they make their money. As sad as it is :(

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Where did you get the idea that the ‘troubles’ in Northern Ireland were happening in 1966? You have your timelines screwed up here.

The thing did did not really kick off until 1969. By then the old official IRA had backed off from their ‘border campaign’ in the 1950s and had effectively demilitarised.

It was 1970 when the real violence started. By the the British troops had their role shifted away from protecting the Catholic population from Loyalist mobs with the emergence of the Provisional IRA and IRSP paramilitary groups.

By the time of Euro 1996, the Provos second cease fire was holding.

Why would the World Cup be withheld from England for dispute that was yet to start for three years? Why would the Euros be withheld after the positive move to settle a 25-year old violent dispute?

For some reason, I thought the Troubles started earlier and lasted until the GFA in 1997. Don’t forget the IRA bombed Manchester during Euro 96 so the ceasefire wasn’t going that well.

 

[bladdered]

Not sure why the Ruskies would even think about going there. I have it on good authority that chernobyl will fall off!


Sorry...its been a slow day.