Common sense or ethically wrong

[Len Rum]

I think you'll find this nuance has been spotted, just once or twice, in the last 4 years. What on earth is the point in going over and over and over the same lame old ground again and again? We're leaving. The end.

My only friend.
The end.

 

[Len Rum]

They should - I would if I moved to another country.

Yeah only right they should learn the lingo.
gammon con huevo y puña would be a good start.

 

[BobKowalski]

They can literally change what’s categorised as a job that’s underpopulated, at any time, to ensure we allow people in.

It’s worked very well in Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

As I understand it immigration is different between Australia and New Zealand in that they have a form of FoM applicable between these two countries.

 

[Fame Monster]

But like their ridiculous policy on spouse earnings, this fails to take into account average earnings in different parts of the country. It basically means that the only degrees worth studying are the ones where you're going to work in a big city afterwards, preferably London. It basically follows the ideology that someone who studied art history at Exeter University for example is contributing more if they move to London and get a job in recruitment than if they stay in Devon and work for a museum on a comparatively lower salary. But then that's always been the Tory ideology, particularly since Thatcher's era. If something has no financial value, then it has no value to the country.

Well lots of things have value or that you'd class as a skill. I know 'freestylers' who can do lots of kick-ups, I like to think I'm half-decent at FIFA, there are people out there who can beatbox, but there must come a point where you have to decide which skills our society need to be subsidised by the state and which skills don't. Are there any courses you think the government shouldn't pay for? Gender Studies? Xbox Studies? Liverpool FC Studies? Singing? Women's Studies? Football Studies etc?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

It's not the whole point.

The aspect you are missing is that if we simply pay ourselves more, to pay for our more expensive goods and services, which in turn makes our goods and services even more expensive... then no-one other than Brits will buy our overly expensive goods and services. And moreover, Brits will increasingly buy from abroad where these goods and services are available more cheaply. Goodbye English Coxes, hello French Golden Delicious. Goodbye Lloyds, hello Santander.

So our entire export business and balance of trade collapses and and with it, our economy.

We do not live in a bubble. The only way to sustainably pay ourselves more is to increase productivity and to do higher value work. i.e. get out of low paid work. Get machines to do it, or people from other countries who are prepared to do it for less. Your proposed "solution" does not and cannot work.

This was the sort of logic that big businesses used as to why we couldn't legislate for a minimum wage.

 

[Chippy_boy]

My only friend.
The end.

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. But never mind, it's unimportant.

 

[Chippy_boy]

This was the sort of logic that big businesses used as to why we couldn't legislate for a minimum wage.

To be fair, it's the sort of logic all sorts of people used, not only big business. And have they been proven wrong? Unemployment may not have increased as a result (some studies show that it has, but it is not conclusive). But it has (according to the Low Pay Commission who surprisingly enough are massively supportive) still resulted in increased prices and reduced profits, reduced investment. And then you consider we've been running a trade deficit for like ever, and our growth rates have been pitiful. How much more would we have invested, sold and exported without these changes?

I am not arguing against a minimum wage BTW and I see merits (obviously) in having one. But to imagine we can simply increase peoples' pay without adverse consequences is naive in the extreme.

 

[Len Rum]

My only friend.
The end.

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. But never mind, it's unimportant.

This is the end. Beautiful friend.
[The Doors - the End.]
Turn on,tune in, drop out my beautiful Tory friend.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Is there a different point system for retirees?

I would imagine that folk with independent means would have no problem, there's certainly not one in Spain.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Nail on head mate.
If you voted Tory only to realise you'd let in a bunch of right wing populists.

A realisation that I give thanks for, the opposition certainly weren't very popular.