Community Shield - Arsenal (N) | Sun 6th Aug - 16:00

[Tbilisi]

The irony is they will be watching(supporting in effect) ITV who are the ones who have caused the problem in the first place.

The greatest City team ever will have to play without a full support.

Wont have anything to do with 1894 again, they will have us in fcuking zebra pants next .

I'll follow you everywhere my arse.

 

[fitzy blue]

It seems a bit strange that some of our fans are arranging local bars to watch the game, have a few beers and shout at the telly.
Using the 'boycott' card is just another way of saying they can't be arsed as they're basically there twice a year for the last twelve years and they're fed up of the hassle and cost going there can be.
That's understandable, but is this really the game to miss after the best season in the clubs history and it being the first chance to see the treble winners on these shores.
I don't think so.

 

[Jesus2020]

The irony is they will be watching(supporting in effect) ITV who are the ones who have caused the problem in the first place.

The greatest City team ever will have to play without a full support.

Wont have anything to do with 1894 again, they will have us in fcuking zebra pants next .

I'll follow you everywhere my arse.

Hi, I'd like to answer your question if that's ok. So, firstly can I just clarify that's not really how irony works. Especially in this sense. For example, the boycott would be in regards to the kick off time and location essentially being too far to travel for most of us in order to be able to get back home (especially on a Sunday and compared to the London based fanbase). Also, regardless of who we are against the same grievance could be applied if both teams were from the North: Infact, even more so, as both teams would then share the same issue, making this even more of a ridiculous location and kick off time.

If a million blues are able to tune into ITV from, for example, the North, that shows we actually do want to watch the game but we are only able to do so if we watch it on TV. Therein lies the issue. We don't want to watch it on TV, we want to attend the game. But we are restricted in our ability to do so due to location and kick off times. Thus the planned boycott.

I hope this answers your question.

 

[Son of Merv]

Hi, I'd like to answer your question if that's ok. So, firstly can I just clarify that's not really how irony works. Especially in this sense. For example, the boycott would be in regards to the kick off time and location essentially being too far to travel for most of us in order to be able to get back home (especially on a Sunday and compared to the London based fanbase). Also, regardless of who we are against the same grievance could be applied if both teams were from the North: Infact, even more so, as both teams would then share the same issue, making this even more of a ridiculous location and kick off time.

If a million blues are able to tune into ITV from, for example, the North, that shows we actually do want to watch the game but we are only able to do so if we watch it on TV. Therein lies the issue. We don't want to watch it on TV, we want to attend the game. But we are restricted in our ability to do so due to location and kick off times. Thus the planned boycott.

I hope this answers your question.

I think the argument is: ITV want higher viewing figures so they can charge more for advertising, that's why they picked 17:30 in the first place as they will get more viewers. Providing them with a larger audience is giving them what they want and more power to demand later kick-off times for future games.
Therefore a boycott should be total: not attending the match (to make a point to the FA) and not watching on ITV (not give their viewing figures a boost). Genuine protest means making a sacrifice.
It feels a bit like refusing to cross a picket line then working from home...

 

[Jesus2020]

I think the argument is: ITV want higher viewing figures so they can charge more for advertising, that's why they picked 17:30 in the first place as they will get more viewers. Providing them with a larger audience is giving them what they want and more power to demand later kick-off times for future games.
Therefore a boycott should be total: not attending the match (to make a point to the FA) and not watching on ITV (not give their viewing figures a boost). Genuine protest means making a sacrifice.
It feels a bit like refusing to cross a picket line then working from home...

Ah this is a good point actually, fair enough. Appreciate the reply. It's late, I might be able to think of an answer to this which backs up my original point but for now I'm with you on this. Good point. So, we should also not watch the game? Hm, maybe, like I said, I'll come back to this .

 

[Shirley]

Perhaps protesting at the actual game with banners and placards etc may have the desired effect, it certainly did when it was done at Highbury against the £62 tickets.

 

[cleavers]

Therefore a boycott should be total: not attending the match (to make a point to the FA) and not watching on ITV (not give their viewing figures a boost). Genuine protest means making a sacrifice.

You make a very good point.

I live relatively close to wembley compared to most blues, but I won't be going or watching, but I probably wouldn't have anyway, even if the ko time was good for everyone, as I think the game is pointless friendly, and very little benefit to anyone other than the FA, who I have no time for.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Perhaps protesting at the actual game with banners and placards etc may have the desired effect, it certainly did when it was done at Highbury against the £62 tickets.

BLACK FLAGS !!

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I think the argument is: ITV want higher viewing figures so they can charge more for advertising, that's why they picked 17:30 in the first place as they will get more viewers. Providing them with a larger audience is giving them what they want and more power to demand later kick-off times for future games.
Therefore a boycott should be total: not attending the match (to make a point to the FA) and not watching on ITV (not give their viewing figures a boost). Genuine protest means making a sacrifice.
It feels a bit like refusing to cross a picket line then working from home...

The ''boosting their figures'' bit is a bit of a nonsense. The figures are all based on a survey of x amount of people watching TV at one given time - and then assumed that they are a certain percentage of the country and a figure is reached. It's how the rags claim there are 679 million fans in the world....... send out a questionaire to known contacts within the club, and hey presto, add that percentage to the population of the world and there's your 679 million rags.
If 300 people cram into Band On The Wall, ITV do not know if there are two people in there or 300

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

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I've attended nearly every away game for 15 years and stood up for every single game. There's never been a issue at standing up.

There's always one......

 

[The_Maverick]

The ''boosting their figures'' bit is a bit of a nonsense. The figures are all based on a survey of x amount of people watching TV at one given time - and then assumed that they are a certain percentage of the country and a figure is reached. It's how the rags claim there are 679 million fans in the world....... send out a questionaire to known contacts within the club, and hey presto, add that percentage to the population of the world and there's your 679 million rags.
If 300 people cram into Band On The Wall, ITV do not know if there are two people in there or 300

Really? so what you are saying is that a random company will cold call you to ask what you are watching on TV?

Has anyone else had a call like that?

Certainly had cold "lifestyle" calls but never anything that was asking what I was watching right now on TV,

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Really? so what you are saying is that a random company will cold call you to ask what you are watching on TV?

Has anyone else had a call like that?

Certainly had cold "lifestyle" calls but never anything that was asking what I was watching right now on TV,

TV ratings are calculated using a technique called **statistical sampling**. Nielsen creates a "sample audience" and then counts how many in that audience view each program. Nielsen then extrapolates from the sample and estimates the number of viewers in the entire population watching the show. The estimate size of the television audience relative to the total universe is expressed as a percentage¹.

Nielsen recruits people to join its TV ratings panels and measures what they watch, how often they watch it, and how long they watch it. Nielsen then extrapolates the data that it collects from these sample audiences to draw conclusions about larger populations¹.

The Nielsen ratings are calculated based on a sample of 40,000 homes and about 100,000 people that’s demographically representative of the population as a whole³.

 

[halfcenturyup]

TV ratings are calculated using a technique called **statistical sampling**. Nielsen creates a "sample audience" and then counts how many in that audience view each program. Nielsen then extrapolates from the sample and estimates the number of viewers in the entire population watching the show. The estimate size of the television audience relative to the total universe is expressed as a percentage¹.

If they called me, the highest viewing figures would be for something called Fuck Off. Not sure which channel that would be on.

 

[Tbilisi]

Perhaps protesting at the actual game with banners and placards etc may have the desired effect, it certainly did when it was done at Highbury against the £62 tickets.

Its a lot easier to get pissed in a Manchester bar though where the biggest inconvenience is Manchester beer prices.

Follow you everywhere song sounds very hollow now.

 

[Son of Merv]

The ''boosting their figures'' bit is a bit of a nonsense. The figures are all based on a survey of x amount of people watching TV at one given time - and then assumed that they are a certain percentage of the country and a figure is reached. It's how the rags claim there are 679 million fans in the world....... send out a questionaire to known contacts within the club, and hey presto, add that percentage to the population of the world and there's your 679 million rags.
If 300 people cram into Band On The Wall, ITV do not know if there are two people in there or 300

It isn't a 'nonsense', the same analytical methods are used for many things, exit polls for example. They can not pinpoint individuals behaviour, but they are reasonably accurate at providing information regarding the populations habits. (It's BARB in the UK, not Nielsen, as you quote later.)
As well as the BARB panel, they use a method called 'Dovetail Fusion' and factor in delivery of programmes via device data. BARB factor this data into their ratings calculations. So, public screenings will be accounted for. Digital delivery enables data gathering on the number of times a programme is accessed, but doesn't provide the drill down of the demographics of an audience, but they have access to Licence data, etc. and know what type of establishment is recieving a programme.

Does it matter if ITV know or not? Shouldn't this be about being prepared to sacrifice something you want or need to send a message? A gathering/demo at the time of the match, but without a screening, would be a genuine boycott and send a message to the FA and TV companies: Fans are prepared to withdraw their support and avoid your products because of how you treat us.

 

[Ctidpaul]

BLACK FLAGS !!

If the protest is actually about kick off time and not can’t be arsed going,perhaps it might be a bigger statement if you all went and left at half time,as that would be full time for a 3pm kick off.I’m going anyhow,so not really bothered what anyone else is doing,and this original post reminded me why I stopped coming on Bluemoon

 

[Tbilisi]

If the protest is actually about kick off time and not can’t be arsed going,perhaps it might be a bigger statement if you all went and left at half time,as that would be full time for a 3pm kick off.I’m going anyhow,so not really bothered what anyone else is doing,and this original post reminded me why I stopped coming on Bluemoon

Shame you dont run 1894 as thats a great idea.

 

[Blue Mist]

Really? so what you are saying is that a random company will cold call you to ask what you are watching on TV?

Has anyone else had a call like that?

Certainly had cold "lifestyle" calls but never anything that was asking what I was watching right now on TV,

The way they used to do it was select households and fit a gadget to the TV. This transmitted which of the 4 channels the household were watching. Basically they made the figures up.
I don't know what thay do now but I'm sure it still involves guesswork especially with ipads laptops etc.

 

[Blue Mist]

If the protest is actually about kick off time and not can’t be arsed going,perhaps it might be a bigger statement if you all went and left at half time,as that would be full time for a 3pm kick off.I’m going anyhow,so not really bothered what anyone else is doing,and this original post reminded me why I stopped coming on Bluemoon

When did you stop coming on Bluemoon ?


Just askin'

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Its a lot easier to get pissed in a Manchester bar though where the biggest inconvenience is Manchester beer prices.

Follow you everywhere song sounds very hollow now.

Well said. It's a free country so anyone who doesn't want to go the Wembley that's fine. But for a team that has just won the treble, the best team of all time, there is too much negativity and virtue-signalling going on for my liking.