ChicagoBlue
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Worth repeating. Well said.
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Considering becoming a vegetarian
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Worth repeating. Well said.
We didn’t stop evolving when we learned how to catch and eat meat. We used to live in caves as well
Never said we did stop evolving.
Not sure what the cave comment has to do with it.
journolud
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Never said we did stop evolving.
Not sure what the cave comment has to do with it.
Fair enough, I know what I meant ;-)
No, we have neither the claws nor teeth of hunters and meat eaters. I already told you that early man only ever scavenged meat from 'proper' predators.
It's widely acknowledged that the neanderthals that ate meat primarliy were those who had no other option due to living is harsh cold environments where vegetation struggles to grow.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science...s-what-a-paleo-diet-really-looks-like/518949/
The notion that veggies need all manner of supps to 'keep up' with the 'real men' meat eaters is folly as well. Vit B12 is widely regarded as the ONLY think a vegetarian MAY (note, MAY) be deficient in vs an omnivore, but it's still subject to arguments. If vegetarians need all these vitamins and minerals...where are they? I presume there are swathes of them dying due to malnutrition?
Animals don't eat meat, they eat plants...and then will kill them and eat the products of their diet...why not just cut out the middle man?
Also it takes something like 9 calories "in" to a cow to produce 1 calorie "out" (i.e. what human then consume from it)...a total waste of time and energy all round - and a large part of why we have far too many cows producing far too much methane, and far too much land reserved for cattle crops, reducing carbon uptake.
Some of the peak of man, Roman Gladiators...mostly vegetarian, meat appears only as a status symbol in victory and celebration.
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/02/05/vegetarian-gladiators/
I'm far from a militant vegetarian, but there are 2 things I strongly believe:
- humans are utter scum with their excess farming and slaying of animals for no reason other than "hurr durr real men eat meat"
- a vegetarian lifestyle is FAR healthier than a meat-eating lifestyle.
Fin.
Since you refused to read the link I provided to you, when I read yours, I guess that’s your position of nothing being able to change your mind, I’ll post you a part of it -
But sorry, it just ain’t so. As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it’s entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn’t even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/?amp=true
There’s no need to create a straw man by saying “real men” eat meat, I haven’t suggested that anywhere in my post. Vegetarians and vegans are welcome to not it eat, bullying people or forcing them to eat what you want to eat isn’t my gig at all, fair play to them.
There’s also plenty of vegetarians who’d make me look silly in a fight pretty quickly, not that I like fighting.
Your part about what we get out of meat is so wrong it’s actually hard to begin countering it, it’s the opposite of what’s true, meat is full of nutrients, it’s incredibly rich in them, far more than the grass cows eat, it’s basic biology to understand that you don’t just become the grass you’re eating, as large a herbivore.
The reason non-meat eaters need to take supplements is because you lose the amount of nutrients in meat.
You’re welcome to believe what you like, I like my peers far more than you do, obviously.
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I'm willing to start an hour early in solidarityIt is, but as we pilots like to say, “it’s Happy Hour somewhere!”
I am heading for my first visit for a haircut since the lockdown began, as hairdressers just opened and today was first appt I could get, so no drinking and driving for me. But, with 21C and bright cloudless skies, it might be decent happy hour on the back patio when I get back!
idahoblues
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My missus loves the meat :) If I were to suggest a vegeterian meal she'd tell me to eat what the fuck I wanted, she's pulling a steak out of the freezerSince you refused to read the link I provided to you, when I read yours, I guess that’s your position of nothing being able to change your mind, I’ll post you a part of it -
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/?amp=true
There’s no need to create a straw man by saying “real men” eat meat, I haven’t suggested that anywhere in my post. Vegetarians and vegans are welcome to not it eat, bullying people or forcing them to eat what you want to eat isn’t my gig at all, fair play to them.
There’s also plenty of vegetarians who’d make me look silly in a fight pretty quickly, not that I like fighting.
Your part about what we get out of meat is so wrong it’s actually hard to begin countering it, it’s the opposite of what’s true, meat is full of nutrients, it’s incredibly rich in them, far more than the grass cows eat, it’s basic biology to understand that you don’t just become the grass you’re eating, as large a herbivore.
The reason non-meat eaters need to take supplements is because you lose the sheer amount of nutrients in meat.
You’re welcome to believe what you like, I like my peers far more than you do, obviously.
Saying we are not built to catch meat is ridiculous. Our brains evolved quicker and faster than other animals. we first realised if we dug a pit and drove an animal into it we could feed our tribe better than living on berries.
Later on we learnt that if we kept animals we didn't have to run after the bloody things, it was much easier to catch them.
Later on we learnt that if we kept animals we didn't have to run after the bloody things, it was much easier to catch them.
The notion that veggies need all manner of supps to 'keep up' with the 'real men' meat eaters is folly as well. Vit B12 is widely regarded as the ONLY think a vegetarian MAY (note, MAY) be deficient in vs an omnivore, but it's still subject to arguments. If vegetarians need all these vitamins and minerals...where are they? I presume there are swathes of them dying due to malnutrition?
Fin.
Another interesting thing with B12 is that 95% of B12 supplements produced are fed to factory farmed animals anyway and that's why their meat contains it. So even people who are getting B12 from meat are getting it, indirectly, via supplements.
quiet_riot
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The reason non-meat eaters need to take supplements is because you lose the amount of nutrients in meat.
Yes, I'm picking out of your post, but this is simply not true. I take ZERO supplementation. I don't *need* to take any because I get it ALL from food. Plant based food.
Yes, I'm picking out of your post, but this is simply not true. I take ZERO supplementation. I don't *need* to take any because I get it ALL from food. Plant based food.
Fair enough and good luck to you.
My mates take them though, I’ve not heard from a professional, just going off personal experience of those I know.