Delay got to happen now...gutted but its the right move I'm afraid. @Healdplace you said this was coming a while back..data not dates17 all setting deaths v 11 last week
8125 cases v 6238 last week
From 928, 939 pillar 1 & 2 tests v 785K last week
Possibly a sign that lads with his irrational concerns and cavalier attitude to the welfare of others shouldn't be allowed to breed anyway!
bit much?...i'll delete...pretend we never saw it.
Fella at work, not a young buck, but not knackered either…an otherwise fit and healthy 50 something got it. He has lost 75% of his lung capacity, has to use oxygen full time and cannot walk more than about 10-20 yards without feeling tired and out of breath. Career over, life as he knows it JS over, and there’s some thought amongst those who know how active he was that this might be a fate worse than death unless he can get a successful lung transplant.
We have heard PLENTY of stories of young athletes, those expressing the least concern, dropping and never recovering before dying. My own son (21 at the time) had a few symptoms last March. Told him to get in bed, get some rest and call me if he has any breathing difficulties, because 15 months ago, that was the only thing you could take someone to hospital far, as they didn’t even have the TESTS in the ER (A&E) to confirm you had it! Sure enough, at 2 in the morning he phoned me from the other side of the house saying he can’t catch a full breath!
Now, this is a lad who benches 300lbs, played Wide Receiver in school for the Football team, and broke track records!
10 minutes later we were in the ER and they were taking chest x-rays. Pneumonia…in an otherwise perfectly healthy young man! COVID!!
Doctor literally told us to go home, quarantine and take EVERY precaution not to spread it. She literally told us, “You do not want to go upstairs in the COVID ward, it is full of old people waiting to die and gasping for every breath. Go home, take care of yourself, but get back here ASAP if you REALLY can’t breathe and I’ll admit you!”
It’s not to be trifled with…by anyone, any age, even bulletproof lads who think they are immortal!
Couple of fit lads on here my age - early 40s - have ended up severely debilitated. This is a nasty little disease. Bloodclots. Inflammatory overloads. Neurological damage.Fella at work, not a young buck, but not knackered either…an otherwise fit and healthy 50 something got it. He has lost 75% of his lung capacity, has to use oxygen full time and cannot walk more than about 10-20 yards without feeling tired and out of breath. Career over, life as he knows it JS over, and there’s some thought amongst those who know how active he was that this might be a fate worse than death unless he can get a successful lung transplant.
We have heard PLENTY of stories of young athletes, those expressing the least concern, dropping and never recovering before dying. My own son (21 at the time) had a few symptoms last March. Told him to get in bed, get some rest and call me if he has any breathing difficulties, because 15 months ago, that was the only thing you could take someone to hospital far, as they didn’t even have the TESTS in the ER (A&E) to confirm you had it! Sure enough, at 2 in the morning he phoned me from the other side of the house saying he can’t catch a full breath!
Now, this is a lad who benches 300lbs, played Wide Receiver in school for the Football team, and broke track records!
10 minutes later we were in the ER and they were taking chest x-rays. Pneumonia…in an otherwise perfectly healthy young man! COVID!!
Doctor literally told us to go home, quarantine and take EVERY precaution not to spread it. She literally told us, “You do not want to go upstairs in the COVID ward, it is full of old people waiting to die and gasping for every breath. Go home, take care of yourself, but get back here ASAP if you REALLY can’t breathe and I’ll admit you!”
It’s not to be trifled with…by anyone, any age, even bulletproof lads who think they are immortal!
Sadly yes this has been increasingly inevitable. I cannot imagine any other decision now. They will not try to reimpose local lockdowns as they must know these will not work now.Delay got to happen now...gutted but its the right move I'm afraid. @Healdplace you said this was coming a while back..data not dates
Emphasis here should be VACCINE THAT SAVES LIVES NOW VS “RARE” BLOOD CLOT….unless they have other vaccines readily available.Italy halts az vaccine for under 60s after 18yr dies of rare blood clot
Yeah, we’ll see if that means anything.The whole country will be vaccinated by then so I doubt it.
Respectfully, the larger issue is that the longer it takes to stop the spread of this disease, the greater the number of mutations (variants) and the significantly greater chance the whole cadre of current vaccines become useless.Yes I get all that you’re not trying to convince me. But anecdotes of isolated incidents are unlikely to fundamentally change the risk perception against the backdrop of Covid (generally) being a disease of the old and vulnerable. I guess using my drugs comparison above, it’s the same as every time there is a devastated parent on the news due to an overdose or a bad reaction urging people to be careful, it doesn’t really change anything.
Anyway this is just cluttering up the thread I hope you get the point and I still think people should get jabbed because it’s the right thing to do and that miniscule rare threats (side effects or covid itself) should not really come into it.
These all seem like staggeringly LOW NUMBERS given the population you’re talking about.158 hospital admissions and 50 of them in the North West. Both the highest since early April and late March respectively.
England patients fall though by 22 to 884. But NW rises by 1 to 272. Which is OK considering.
Unfortunately ventilators in NW rise again to 49.
These all seem like staggeringly LOW NUMBERS given the population you’re talking about.
Hang in there, mate!Couple of fit lads on here my age - early 40s - have ended up severely debilitated. This is a nasty little disease. Bloodclots. Inflammatory overloads. Neurological damage.
Most don't suffer heavily. But plenty do, and there's millions with symptoms over a month later. Some who didn't even need hospital may never be the same.
Sure, you are confident you won't die. Even confident no-one you know ended up in hospital. But nah, you don't want to take your chances with this one. You really don't. Crazy anyone thinks otherwise.
I mean, I've had plenty of bugs. And my health wasn't perfect. COVID, when I had it, wasn't anything like as unpleasant as gastro enterisis. Nowhere near. Not anywhere near glandular, which I had as a kid. I mean, I was up and about. Not great, but... I hate colds. I've had worse times with unidentified colds. Much worse than the week or two of fatigue and feeling rubbish. But colds come and colds go.
What I've never had was a cold or flu - or anything - that left me with months of ulcers, skin problems, unstable temperature, racing heart, months later. Distinctive headaches. Sore throat and a callous in my nose that ached and dripped for months. I still get red eyes. Feel my lungs burning up.. Stomach pains. A year later. A year!
Yes, I'm pissed off that my AZ arm still aches very gently every so often. Yes, I would have preferred one of the other Jabs. But it's a small price to pay. I really don't fancy putting my body through another round of the real thing.
Yep, it always starts slow and accelerates, but we know do much more about treatments now, and the population is well on the way to herd immunity with vaccines and cases combined.They are but that's how the virus started here, very low then accelerated. Hopefully although they will rise we hope the vaccinations will mean not so much now, bit it's in the balance.