Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

I think J&J is Netherlands and US

Johnson & Johnson Expects Vaccine Results Soon but Lags in Production (Published 2021)

The U.S. needs J.&J.’s one-shot vaccine more than ever. But the company is behind on manufacturing promises made in its Operation Warp Speed contract.

www.nytimes.com

Novavax is UK.

The US will be another country to regret the way they handled the Oxford vaccine.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The US will be another country to regret the way they handled the Oxford vaccine.

In the EU the regulator approved it, but individual govts decided only to use with u65s, which obviously makes people wary. Then there was the whole clusterfuck on supply. So political idiocy.

US is a bit different - the regulator asked for more data. So a more a question of medical certainty.

These regulators are genuinely pretty independent of political influence.

But I'm very pleased we did what we did.

 

[bluethrunthru]

My my who's 82

your lyrics don't scan well

My My - who's 82
Napoleon did surrender

could have been a better effort methinks lol

 

[Manc in London]

The eighty year olds grew up with rationing, ffs.

But they had affordable housing and plentiful social housing, early retirement, free travel, winter fuel payments, free TV licences etc.;) Unlikely these will be around in the next few years. I would also suggest food poverty is very high in this country.

Anyway, we digress.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital data:-

More good news.

Two days of data due to tech issues yesterday - still positive.

Patients:-

Fell 626 yesterday and 504 today to stand at 13, 007 patients - was 16, 458 last Wednesday.

It was 34, 336 at the peak on 18 Jan - so down over 21,000 in 37 days.

It was last lower than today on 5 December.


Ventilators:-

Fell 116 yesterday and 25 today to stand at 1931 - was 2393 last Wednesday

It was 3736 at the peak on 21 Jan so down 1805 - almost halved - in 34 days.

It was last lower than today on New Year's Eve.


Regionally P // V

East 1521 - 1474 - 1416 - was 1780 // 164 - 156 - 148 - was 198

London 2737 - 2490 - 2503 - was 3292 // 653 - 552 - 604 - was 749

Midlands 3080 - 3003 - 2875 - was 3325 // 421 - 413 - 387 - was 455

NE & Yorkshire 2118 - 2076 - 1947 - was 2391 // 248 - 247 - 237 - was 280

North West 2078 - 1978 - 1938 - was 2391 // 256 - 251 - 237 - was 289

South East 1860 - 1859 - 1686 - was 2349 // 234 - 249 - 232 - was 305

South West 743 - 631 - 640 - was 930 // 90 - 88 - 86 - was 117

Good falls continue more or less everywhere

 

[Healdplace]

In the EU the regulator approved it, but individual govts decided only to use with u65s, which obviously makes people wary. Then there was the whole clusterfuck on supply. So political idiocy.

US is a bit different - the regulator asked for more data. So a more a question of medical certainty.

These regulators are genuinely pretty independent of political influence.

But I'm very pleased we did what we did.

Me too. It was a risk but in the circumstances one we really needed to take.

 

[unicorn]

England hospital data:-

More good news.

Two days of data due to tech issues yesterday - still positive.

Patients:-

Fell 626 yesterday and 504 today to stand at 13, 007 patients - was 16, 458 last Wednesday.

Fantastic news - nearing 25% drop in patient numbers in just a week. Shame we don't hear more about these metrics on the BBC.

 

[Healdplace]

Eliminating the PCR tests the Positivity rating today is 3.3% by the way. That is well below the WHO guidelines of getting this number below 5%.

Early this year we were around 15 - 20%.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Fantastic news - nearing 25% drop in patient numbers in just a week. Shame we don't hear more about these metrics on the BBC.

or Sky, or ITN or C4 news =- oh no wait its the Beeb that are lefty and get bashed

 

[feedthegoat27]

Interesting chat in here on the subject of potentially letting the oldies travel first.

Can certainly see both sides of the argument, and in particular there is a possible grey area surrounding family travel this summer, but the industry is on it's fucking knees and anything that might help stimulate things is a good thing in my eyes. We, as an industry, are absolutely desperate.

We're not talking about millions of pensioners suddenly going wild in Europe and rubbing all our faces in it. The noises from Greece, and they are only noises, is that they may permit double vaccinated people from the UK in May (would have to be 17th onwards due to restrictions this end)

If Doris and Bill have had all their required jabs and there is agreement in place between both countries that they can travel and return without issue, then let them have their week in Corfu or whatever it might be.

Yes, in an ideal world everyone would be ''released'' at the same time, but COVID life isn't an ideal world and we should welcome any returning steps towards normality, even if not everyone can benefit from them immediately.

And I'm speaking as a relatively young 33 year old, who likely won't be jabbed until the summer at the earliest.

But don't tell Doris and Bill that I went abroad 7 times last year ;)

 

[frothy]

Where?

Where what?

 

[shilly8903]

Interesting chat in here on the subject of potentially letting the oldies travel first.

Can certainly see both sides of the argument, and in particular there is a possible grey area surrounding family travel this summer, but the industry is on it's fucking knees and anything that might help stimulate things is a good thing in my eyes. We, as an industry, are absolutely desperate.

We're not talking about millions of pensioners suddenly going wild in Europe and rubbing all our faces in it. The noises from Greece, and they are only noises, is that they may permit double vaccinated people from the UK in May (would have to be 17th onwards due to restrictions this end)

If Doris and Bill have had all their required jabs and there is agreement in place between both countries that they can travel and return without issue, then let them have their week in Corfu or whatever it might be.

Yes, in an ideal world everyone would be ''released'' at the same time, but COVID life isn't an ideal world and we should welcome any returning steps towards normality, even if not everyone can benefit from them immediately.

And I'm speaking as a relatively young 33 year old, who likely won't be jabbed until the summer at the earliest.

But don't tell Doris and Bill that I went abroad 7 times last year ;)

Thing that I don’t get is I thought these vaccines did not prevent you from carrying the virus, if this is the case I really cannot see many countries allowing us to head over and spread the virus more than it already is.

 

[blueparrot]

Thing that I don’t get is I thought these vaccines did not prevent you from carrying the virus,

We don’t know yet. The assumption is it does reduce transmission, how much is yet to be determined.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Vaccine passports or any other such system would be a substantial act of discrimination against a population based on an unavoidable characteristic.

 

[KS55]

So is yours.

I didnt make a suggestion, merely questioned the basis of a posters idea. Personally, I would prefer no foreign travel at all until all restrictions are lifted, but accept that is probably not attainable.

 

[feedthegoat27]

Thing that I don’t get is I thought these vaccines did not prevent you from carrying the virus, if this is the case I really cannot see many countries allowing us to head over and spread the virus more than it already is.

Yes but we're never going to eliminate Covid now. It's here to stay, and like everything in life an element of risk is par for the course.

People far more qualified than me can answer better but as I understand it the vaccines massively reduces the risk of you catching or carrying it.

If you do happen to catch it, then it massively reduces the chances of said person falling ill.

If you do happen to catch it and fall ill, it massively reduces the chances of said person getting very sick and needing to go to hospital.

If you do happen to catch it, fall ill and need hospital care, then it massively reduces the chances of dying from it.

The vaccines aren't magic bullets that will forever eliminate Covid, but they should allow us to live alongside it and not face another period like the previous 12 months.

With all that in mind, why on earth wouldn't countries open up to vaccinated people? They can't stay shut forever and letting in a plane load of 80 year olds who have all been double jabbed isn't suddenly putting their own population at risk.

European Countries particularly reliant on tourism will be chomping at the bit to open up this summer, after the washout that was 2020.

 

[blueparrot]

Vaccine passports or any other such system would be a substantial act of discrimination against a population based on an unavoidable characteristic.

Which isn’t the point. Just as you need paperwork to do some things or visit some countries now and always have. Some things, some countries will require this piece of paperwork in the future, maybe for a limited time maybe not.
So the question is what paperwork / certificate/ passport/app will it be and who will or should issue it. I think just saying there shouldn’t be one at all is ignoring the facts of what will be required if not by our government then by some.

 

[unicorn]

or Sky, or ITN or C4 news =- oh no wait its the Beeb that are lefty and get bashed

Fair point. It's the BBC I watch though. I've no problems with their (perceived) politics, it's the quality of their insight I despair at.

 

[shilly8903]

Yes but we're never going to eliminate Covid now. It's here to stay, and like everything in life an element of risk is par for the course.

People far more qualified than me can answer better but as I understand it the vaccines massively reduces the risk of you catching or carrying it.

If you do happen to catch it, then it massively reduces the chances of said person falling ill.

If you do happen to catch it and fall ill, it massively reduces the chances of said person getting very sick and needing to go to hospital.

If you do happen to catch it, fall ill and need hospital care, then it massively reduces the chances of dying from it.

The vaccines aren't magic bullets that will forever eliminate Covid, but they should allow us to live alongside it and not face another period like the previous 12 months.

With all that in mind, why on earth wouldn't countries open up to vaccinated people? They can't stay shut forever and letting in a plane load of 80 year olds who have all been double jabbed isn't suddenly putting their own population at risk.

European Countries particularly reliant on tourism will be chomping at the bit to open up this summer, after the washout that was 2020.

I understand the effect it’s having tourism my wife works for hays travel, we lost thousands in bonuses last year as she was the highest seller in the company and her job is on the line every week that this goes on with thousand of others. If that’s the case that the vaccines ruduces chances of carrying the virus I don’t think countries will mind opening up to us but if not, said country will more than likely not be in the position ours is as they are not vaccinating as quickly as we are. There priority will be there citizens not ours I would have thought.

 

[mackenzie]

I honestly can't see foreign travel being significantly curtailed anyway. I think the usual holiday hotspots are going to be gagging to have anyone there.