Coronavirus (2021) thread

[bobbyowenquiff]

Yep, same. It got worse for me. Two hours in, they wheeled in some old guy absolutely smashed in a wheelchair. I'm not exaggerating here when I say this - about an hour later, he woke up from his sleep, he whipped his cock out and just pissed directly in front of him. Didn't even bother holding himself or anything. Just let it go everywhere all in front of him while he slept. Fucking GRIM. Literally two metres away. Then he fell asleep again with it out. I went and got someone to deal with it. The nurses looked absolutely fed up of it all. Cleaner came ten mins later. So fucking miserable. I asked if there was another waiting room we could move to and all they could do was apologise and say no.

That's really third world conditions. My experiences of NHS hospitals are also pretty grim. The staff have been mostly great but the hospitals were all filthy and crumbling (apart from the new one at Blackpool Victoria which was a cut above the rest round here) There is a huge infection risk in British hospitals unfortunately.
One of my near neighbours is a ward sister who never once did the clap for the NHS. She thought it was a propaganda tactic by the Government to deflect criticism.

 

[Healdplace]

GM numbers have risen a lot today.

And Bolton is now easily the best in the county - a place it has been heading for in a while.

Lowest cases despite rising day to day and week to week to 127.

The highest low score in GM in months,

Everywhere else up miles - Manchester on 454, Wigan 277 and BOTH Oldham and Rochdale over 200. Whilst Salford just avoids it on 199.

Stockport the highest since last Winter too on 175 and yet still knocked 11 more off Trafford's best overall pop score lead reducing it from 200 two weeks ago and 25 last night to now just 14.

Pretty awful day - cases top 2000 for first time in 5 months - up 501 to 2120 - up 512 on last week

North West today is up 986 to a new record high of 4856 - so GM is for the first time slightly worse than the rest of the region just above the 50% par rise.

But week to week it is a little better up 512 from a week to week NW rise of 1236 - so well below the 50% rise of 618.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Do they think letting as many kids catch it as possible is better than vaccinating them?
Not seen that suggested anywhere except from you.

That’s not how it’s worked out though. If their relative risk of becoming ill or dying from vaccination is the same or worse than their relative risk of the same from the disease, what do you think we should do?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

That's really third world conditions. My experiences of NHS hospitals are also pretty grim. The staff have been mostly great but the hospitals were all filthy and crumbling (apart from the new one at Blackpool Victoria which was a cut above the rest round here) There is a huge infection risk in British hospitals unfortunately.
One of my near neighbours is a ward sister who never once did the clap for the NHS. She thought it was a propaganda tactic by the Government to deflect criticism.

At least we’ve not got a prime mover and in the austerity politics of the naughties in charge of the NHS……………

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

That's really third world conditions. My experiences of NHS hospitals are also pretty grim. The staff have been mostly great but the hospitals were all filthy and crumbling (apart from the new one at Blackpool Victoria which was a cut above the rest round here) There is a huge infection risk in British hospitals unfortunately.
One of my near neighbours is a ward sister who never once did the clap for the NHS. She thought it was a propaganda tactic by the Government to deflect criticism.

of course it was. It was shameful at the time and still is.

 

[west didsblue]

That’s not how it’s worked out though. If their relative risk of becoming ill or dying from vaccination is the same or worse than their relative risk of the same from the disease, what do you think we should do?

If the risk of serious illness or dying is worse from the vaccine then clearly it’s not appropriate to dispense it. If it’s broadly comparable then you would take other things into consideration like the prospect of further variants developing and the re-infection of older people, so it’s not as simple as one thing or the other. The original point I made was in response to someone saying that kids should all be catching it to build up herd immunity. We don’t know enough to say whether that’s right or not and I’ve not seen anyone suggest it.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Not looking good in France.

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France reports 2,457 new cases and 25 deaths
French authorities also reported there are 1,204 people in intensive care units for COVID-19
It comes after the French government's leading scientific adviser, Professor Jean-Francois Delfraissy, said the country is heading towards a fourth wave

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital update:

244 admissions on Monday v new high in months - 75 from the NW. Also most recently. And still highest region



Today's in patient numbers UP by 55 to 1500. Last week patients FELL by 46 to 1255.

Wk to wk increase 245 - Previous wk it had been up by 271 to 1030.

So patient numbers are still increasing less by less wk to wk.



North West rose today by 10 to 489 v 437 last Wednesday.

Other regions:- East down 3 to 83. London up 13 to 314. Midlands up 6 to 226, Yorkshire up 7 to 222, South East UP 17 - biggest rise today to to 83 and South West up 5 to 81.


So this is now a more evenly spread modest rise in patient numbers. NW still biggest cases and biggest numbers in hospital but seems to me to be flattening.


Today's Ventilators UP by 5 to 264. Last week they fell by 2 to 227. Wk before it rose by 5 to 192

North West was down 1 to 91 v 84 last week where it was up by 1 and wk before where it was up by 5 in day to 75.

Again this suggests a slowing in the NW.


Other regions:- East up 3 to 14, London up 3 to 71, Midlands down 3 to 39, Yorkshire up 1 to 31, South East up 3 to 12 and South West up 1 to 8.

In the other nations:

N Ireland 20 patients (up 1) / 2 ventilated

Scotland 235 patients (up 20) / 19 ventilated (down 1)

Wales 41 patients (up 3) . ventilated 2 (down 1)

Total 296 patients v 272 yesterday and 23 ventilated v 25 yesterday


TOTAL UK NUMBERS Patients 1796 - up 79 on the day / Ventilators 287 - up 3 on yesterday

 

[Summerbuzz]

@worsleyweb asked yesterday if anyone knew the predicted peak of this wave, and I made a facetious remark about how little was known this time around. Reading today's Times, the GP with a regular column said he didn't know, but his colleagues in hospitals were working on the assumption that admissions would peak around the second week of August.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Israel is negotiating with the United Kingdom to broker a COVID-19 vaccine swap deal, reports Channel 12 news.

According to the report, Israel is seeking to ship some of its Pfizer vaccines that are due to expire at the end of July to the UK. In exchange, it is hoping to receive an equivalent number of vaccines that the UK is slated to receive from Pfizer in September.

Good story, but the only problem is there’s a lot of the 18-25 group not putting themselves forward for vaccination.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Vaccines the experts are happy work on children with no ill-effects. We're not there yet.

We are. The vaccine has been approved as safe and effective for 12 years up. There is no medical intervention of any sort with no ill- effects. COVID has major ill effects.

The decision to go ahead or not is not about safety and efficacy from a medical regulatory standpoint.

But as I've posted above I don't think this is black and white. It's a nuanced issue, different experts take different views.

What I do absolutely think, as a minimum, is that this approved vaccine should be freely available to children of the ages it's approved for. And that vaccinated children should be free from testing and isolation.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Delta is ready I'll over Europe.
Spain and Portugal certainly have it.
We are taking testing to umber levels - especially in schools.
You could say that Spain and Portugal already have it worse than us.

If our testing were as effective as you suggest, we'd have crushed this wave, I think.

 

[Healdplace]

Cases across the regions:


Change in last 24 hrs V seven days ago



SOUTH


East DOWN 29 to 1022 V 671

London UP 529 to 2598 V 1609 - big rise here

South East UP 419 to 2330 V 1118 - ditto here

South West UP 405 to 1615 V 993


This is clearly no longer one region only (NW) - hence the recent big jump






MIDLANDS



East UP 253 to 1375 V 739

West UP 236 to 1979 V 1108


Much the same here





NORTH



North East UP 953 to 2392 V 1095 - the biggest numbers here in many many months if not ever

Under a month ago NE was sub ONE HUNDRED every day. This is 25 times higher. Huge increase.



Yorkshire UP 633 to 2647 V 1521



AND

NORTH WEST UP 986 to 4856 V 3620 - highest ever again here and biggest rise today but no pro rata biggest



Past weeks NW numbers are 3620 - 3318 - 3440 - 3693 - 2763 - 4168 - 3870 - 4856

Equivalent NW numbers a week earlier 2157 - 2858 - 2754 - 2538 - 2107 - 2441 - 2790 - 3620

GM numbers in past week 1606 - 1541 - 1572 - 1579 - 1280 - 1941- 1619 -2120



The gap between GM and NW i growing visibly from 2014 a week ago to 2736 today. That is good for GM

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The original point I made was in response to someone saying that kids should all be catching it to build up herd immunity. We don’t know enough to say whether that’s right or not and I’ve not seen anyone suggest it.

Govt policy to open bank up and not vaccinate children amounts ton the same thing. They're just not honest enough to articulate it.

 

[Rammy Blue]

If the risk of serious illness or dying is worse from the vaccine then clearly it’s not appropriate to dispense it. If it’s broadly comparable then you would take other things into consideration like the prospect of further variants developing and the re-infection of older people, so it’s not as simple as one thing or the other. The original point I made was in response to someone saying that kids should all be catching it to build up herd immunity. We don’t know enough to say whether that’s right or not and I’ve not seen anyone suggest it.

Eh? @davealvers posted the Twitter link of the guy who was on the JCVI that was talking about it, you just needed to click and read the rest of the tweets.

 

[M18CTID]

Not looking good in France.

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France reports 2,457 new cases and 25 deaths
French authorities also reported there are 1,204 people in intensive care units for COVID-19
It comes after the French government's leading scientific adviser, Professor Jean-Francois Delfraissy, said the country is heading towards a fourth wave

That looks a very high number of deaths in proportion to cases. Especially as we’re reporting something like ten times that many cases for roughly the same number or fewer deaths. I know we’re probably carrying out far more tests than France but even so.
Anyone know where France are at in terms of number of jabs and vaccine take up in general?

 

[west didsblue]

Eh? @davealvers posted the Twitter link of the guy who was on the JCVI that was talking about it, you just needed to click and read the rest of the tweets.

Didn’t see it but seen it now.
Fair enough.

 

[Healdplace]

Full GM details:


Total cases 2120 - UP 501 on Yesterday - from NW rise of 986.

So GM rises by MORE than half the NW increase which is not good news. Though it is only slightly.

Wk to wk UP 512 when the NW rose by 1236 So GM is doing much better here well below expected rise of around 618.



BOROUGH / CASES TODAY / V YESTERDAY / V LAST WEEK



BOLTON 127 / UP 15 / UP 11

BURY 132 / UP 44 / UP 44

MANCHESTER 454 / UP 65 / UP 7

OLDHAM 210 / UP 57 / UP 88

ROCHDALE 240 / UP 124 / UP 124

SALFORD 199 / UP 19 / UP 41

STOCKPORT 175 / UP 53 / UP 54

TAMESIDE 141 / UP 28 / UP 13

TRAFFORD 165 / UP 23 / UP 34

WIGAN 277 / UP 73 / UP 96


No sense in saying otherwise this was a bad day for GM. Every single borough up day to day and week to week. Some by a lot. Rochdale up 124 on both the day and the week is pretty worrying. But far from alone.

Bolton had the best day with the most normal data when all the rest were well up, Could well mean it is now ahead of Stockport - which was well up - as the lowest Pop Score in GM

Whatever worked there needs replicating as it is well and truly now gone from worst to best in 6 weeks.

If this is what the rest of GM can expect for themselves in the next few weeks (as all were behind Bolton going into this wave so may be the same week or two behind coming out of it) that bodes well for the other 9 boroughs.

Though worth stressing Bolton's 127 is a high number by its standards. Normal numbers here would be at worst a third of that. And Bolton has plateaued and is not falling. Just not rising like the others.

 

[Healdplace]

That looks a very high number of deaths in proportion to cases. Especially as we’re reporting something like ten times that many cases for roughly the same number or fewer deaths. I know we’re probably carrying out far more tests than France but even so.
Anyone know where France are at in terms of number of jabs and vaccine take up in general?

The numbers in icu in France even under the old variants last year always puzzled me. They seemed far higher then than in the UK even when we had over 20K patients not 20K cases and under 2000 patients still as now.

 

[Healdplace]

Greater Manchester

Weekly total cases:-




Bury 741, Tameside 792 Bolton 827, Stockport 848, Trafford 897, Rochdale 941, Oldham 1019 , Salford 1288. Wigan 1578, Manchester 2733.



Manchester, Salford and Wigan all over 4 figures weekly and climbed a lot and were joined by Oldham after a run of bad numbers foreseen by Zoe a few days ago. Rochdale not far behind either,

Bolton is doing really well and has gone from worst to third lowest cases and not far off best in GM any day now.

Bury like its neighbour Bolton seems to have forded the Delta and now is best in GM!