Coronavirus (2021) thread

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willipp said:
On day 3 of symptoms and feel like shite. Hardly slept a wink last night and just hurting from head to toe. Not got out of bed all day and just constantly covered in sweat. Double jabbed and all I can say is thank fuck I am.
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Hope you’re feeling better today mate.
 
Healdplace said:
For the first time I am starting to wonder if this really was an engineered natural virus as it seems to be well adapted to confounding our plans.

I know it could just be rotten luck and a well honed predator by chance and vast numbers acting as a petri dish in a way the world has yet had to face.

I am very sure it was not deliberately leaked as my best friend still thinks it was however many times I have told her otherwise.

But a break out from a lab of something designed to defy our ingenuity.

Hopefully not as that would make it all but undefeatable. As the ones behind it will have tried if so.
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Yes the virus probably did leak from a lab that collects bat viruses - the fact there are two in Wuhan makes it highly likely.
The way it has confounded our plans since is just evolution I'm afraid.
 
True_Blue69 said:
You mean other than comparing the country that borders it which did exactly that? Come on if England’s cases were doubling like Scotland’s everyone would be slating the decision makers it works both ways.
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And you have it confirmed that this is the main or solitary factor in what's happening? You're jumping to massive conclusions. It doesn't work both ways, it's petty. Ridiculous decisions such as not adding India to a red list much sooner than we did is obvious and whoever was responsible deserves criticism, not that we wouldn't have ended up in this situation eventually in any case but it was still reckless at the time.

The situation on reopening in Scotland a couple of weeks later is in no way simular to such stupidity and it'll take time to draw any conclusions if there are any to be drawn. What if England does in time see a huge spike (from the already high case levels btw)? And what if at that time Scotland begins to dip again, do we all come back on and praise Scotland for delaying the reopening and start having a dig at England again? It's petty, and doesn't make any sense to draw any firm conclusions at this stage to something like this.
 
Nebuchadnezzar said:
Why has Blue Matt gone?
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Either been booted by mods or asked to be banned for a while to stop himself coming on here. a few people have done the same in the past.

in the last couple of months he seemed to have fallen into the Conspiracy camp. you could see the degeneration over time.
 
grunge said:
Either been booted by mods or asked to be banned for a while to stop himself coming on here. a few people have done the same in the past.

in the last couple of months he seemed to have fallen into the Conspiracy camp. you could see the degeneration over time.
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Is a certain amount of such input not healthy? so as any such theory can be countered and debunked? subsequently allowing those with reservation or scepticism an opportunity to be reassured?
 
FantasyIreland said:
Is a certain amount of such input not healthy? so as any such theory can be countered and debunked? subsequently allowing those with reservation or scepticism an opportunity to be reassured?
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proposing alternatives is all fair and well, as is having a healthy level of scientism,

But over the last few months you could see the degradation with his posts. from questioning lockdowns and the media's constant barage of negativity ( fair ). to then saying you feel the doctors are being forced to fake figures of who died with Covid because a "few people told him so", and the moon landings were faked ( in the conspiracy thread ) etc. there was a clear tipping point from healthy scientism to outright conspiracy and BlueMatt seemed to pass that point a few weeks back.

A few people on here ( including myself ) suggested he step away from the news and internet for a few weeks for his own mental health. Im hoping he has done that and he'll be back.
 
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grunge said:
proposing alternatives is all fair and well, as is having a healthy level of scientism,

But over the last few months you could see the degradation with his posts. from questioning lockdowns and the media's constant barage of negativity ( fair ). to then saying you feel the doctors are being forced to fake figures of who died with Covid because a "few people told him so", and the moon landings were faked ( in the conspiracy thread ) etc. there was a clear tipping point from healthy scientism to outright conspiracy and BlueMatt seemed to pass that point a few weeks back.

A few people on here ( including myself ) suggested he step away from the news and internet for a few weeks for his own mental health. Im hoping he has done that and he'll be back.
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Fair comment,and good advice.
 
Mixed bag on the wider vaccine front. Malta, Portugal and Denmark have hit the 70% threshold, Eastern Europe lagging by some margin.

 
WALES DATA

1 death - was 2 last week

2389 cases - was 1480 last week - highest during the current wave close to the peak in the January wave. There have been two recent higher numbers but both were on Mondays when TWO days data is reported. This is a single day and up over 60% on last week.

13.8% positivity - was 11.4% last week

THERE WERE 211 patients and 31 Ventilated in Wales as of yesterday
 
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This is a fascinating graph someone on line has created. It shows very clearly the difference in this wave due to the vaccines versus the last wave peak in January

The BLUE line atop is the number of cases day by day.

The ORANGE line is a time skewed admissions to show the cases that translate into hospital admissions.

The GREY line is the number of deaths. Also time skewed for the lag that occurs in patients.

In the last wave the three were closely aligned. Now far less so.

Easy to see what some of us here have been trying to explain in words. The vaccines are why this wave is VERY unlike the previous ones.

No idea how statistically valid it is. Others can comment on that but it looks a good thing to show to vaccine doubters as it screams out how well they work in a way numbers alone posted every day cannot do.
 
That graph suggests towards the end of May was the point where the link broke between deaths and cases.

Was that when we protected the most vulnerable. I think pretty much all over 70 had had two jabs by then?
 
A ZOE app study shows cases have risen by 19% over the past 7 days. And for first time in a while all three measures - cases, hospitalisations and deaths are rising in tandem. Though deaths at the lower level as on that graph above.

Their study shows the highest % of new cases is in the 18 to 35 age group and the second most in all children under 18.

This is exactly what the 7 day Stats for cases for Northern Ireland has been showing with slightly different age range coverage there.

ZOE also found that 30% of those who test positive have been double jabbed. But of course most of them will not become hospital patients.
 
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