Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Bluesince1979]

Agreed its not gonna happen. but its an interesting moral discussion none the less.

There are plenty of examples where treatment is refused outright. Your example, You cant get a Liver transplant if your an Alcoholic, they will however try to get you help for the alcoholism assuming your alive long enough at that point.

I know of someone not getting the top end COPD treatments as they still smoke too.

Penty of examples where Doctors say "we wont do xyz until you lose a stone in weight" too.

Thats very true.

my mates got to lose 4 stone for a hernia op . He knows it aint happening, so does the doc

My opinion remains tho that of it comes to it are we letting someone just die because they cant/wont pay for treatment after initially refusing vaccines ?

apart from a few resident nutters on here… no of course we arent

 

[M18CTID]

Have they? So we don't need restrictions then?

We’re in a miles better situation with the vaccines than without them, and it would be even better still if the anti-vaxxers got their jabs.

 

[PragueBlue]

My opinion remains tho that of it comes to it are we letting someone just die because they cant/wont pay for treatment after initially refusing vaccines ?

No need to. Treat them and then recover it through their tax codes. It won't happen though.

 

[super_city_si]

I can totally disagree with someones stance whilst also having the desire to provide them with NHS treatment if required without being charged on top of what theyve already paid in.
thats where my stance begins and ends. Ive no sympathy people getting ill if it couldve been avoided by having the jab. Same as someone getting lung cancer after smoking 20 fags a day.
but i also believe they all should be treated. Because we are a civilised nation with health care for all.

I agree in principle but what happens when the healthcare system in overloaded and then its stops becoming health care for all? It becomes triage and basically healthcare for those with covid. People with cancer are having their treatments deferred sometimes to the point of no return.

I will add, i dont think it will ever be a case of denied treatment for people with covid with no vaccine

 

[Healdplace]

How many are seriously sick from Covid after having the vaccine? How many thousands of times worse would it be if 80% of the adult population hadn't had a vaccine?

Look at this - todays 7 day cases in Northern Ireland by age group. Well under 1% OVER 80 and by far the majority (over 40%) under 19 out of more than 12,000 cases in the past week.

Some of the older ones do still get sick and go into hospital and die but far fewer and the huge shift in the skew of these cases to the youngest less vulnerable shows you why hospital and deaths are down as cases are up.

The boosters have to be why as this change has been visibly occurring over the past few weeks as it was implemented from oldest downward.

This is why they are offering it to more and more.

It works.

 

[Bluesince1979]

I agree in principle but what happens when the healthcare system in overloaded and then its stops becoming health care for all? It becomes triage and basically healthcare for those with covid. People with cancer are having their treatments deferred sometimes to the point of no return.

I will add, i dont think it will ever be a case of denied treatment for people with covid with no vaccine

The NHS is overloaded and over ran for many reasons. Covid only being one of them

 

[Bluesince1979]

No need to. Treat them and then recover it through their tax codes. It won't happen though.

You chaps talking about charging are at least reasonable in so much that you are willing to treat.
Few freaks on here today were sending them to die with a big “fuck em” ringing in there ears ;)

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

You chaps talking about charging are at least reasonable in so much that you are willing to treat.
Few freaks on here today were sending them to die with a big “fuck em” ringing in there ears ;)

If a hospital was working on a one in one out basis as they were full and two identical twins were both waiting for an ICU bed to treat them for Covid, with the only difference being one is vaccinated and one isn’t, who should get the bed?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Exchange of the day at today's lobby briefing on Plan B:

"If I'm in a theatre watching a musical, can I take my mask off to sing?"

No10: "Yes. There is a general exemption for singing"

So could I walk into Tesco without a mask as long as I'm singing?

No10: "Essentially, yes"

 

[Bluesince1979]

If a hospital was working on a one in one out basis as they were full and two identical twins were both waiting for an ICU bed to treat them for Covid, with the only difference being one is vaccinated and one isn’t, who should get the bed?

The answer is obviously that they would look for a bed in another hospital and treat both

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The answer is obviously that they would look for a bed in another hospital and treat both

Nicely deflected.

Ok, I’ll add all hospitals are in the same situation to ask you to answer the question.

 

[Well Wisher]

Nicely deflected.

Ok, I’ll add all hospitals are in the same situation to ask you to answer the question.

The unvaccinated one gets the ICU bed. The vaccinated one clearly doesn't need it - if he does you wanna keep it quiet.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

How many are seriously sick from Covid after having the vaccine? How many thousands of times worse would it be if 80% of the adult population hadn't had a vaccine?

Depends on how many blood clots and myocarditis incidents you want to report and include.

We'd be even better if they provable worked for more than 3 months without any side effects and we didn't need the same jab as a booster every time there's a new variant despite it not being adapted or tested against it.

Maybe if the 2 jabs just worked then fewer vaccinated and unvaccinated people would have less doubts.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The unvaccinated one gets the ICU bed. The vaccinated one clearly doesn't need it - if he does you wanna keep it quiet.

Given that we still don’t have the data on Omicron, the answer is the vaccinated one.

If omicron turns out to be mild, then the sicker one should always get the bed.

 

[Healdplace]

148 all settings deaths - up from 141 last week

England only 113 v 104 last week

50,867 cases

Down 475 on yesterday and down 3078 on last Thursday

England only: -

43,550 - down 469 on yesterday & down 2330 on last Thursday

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Fewer people in hospital this week than any week since August, save for a week in October.
Cases up 8% in a week, but tests up over 11%!
Restrictions because we MIGHT get over 1000 admissions a day, which has happened TWENTY TWO times since August the 28th.

Plan B???

 

[BlueAnorak]

Good

148 all settings deaths - up from 141 last week

England only 113 v 104 last week

50,867 cases

Down 475 on yesterday and down 3078 on last Thursday

England only: -

43,550 - down 469 on yesterday & down 2330 on last Thursday

Good to see booster vaccinations increasing.
414k yesterday.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Last year if you wanted a christmas party you had to claim it was a work meeting.

this year if you want to have a work meeting you have to claim it’s a Christmas party.

clear?

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Fewer people in hospital this week than any week since August, save for a week in October.
Cases up 8% in a week, but tests up over 11%!
Restrictions because we MIGHT get over 1000 admissions a day, which has happened TWENTY TWO times since August the 28th.

Plan B???

 

[grunge]

Depends on how many blood clots and myocarditis incidents you want to report and include.

We'd be even better if they provable worked for more than 3 months without any side effects and we didn't need the same jab as a booster every time there's a new variant despite it not being adapted or tested against it.

Maybe if the 2 jabs just worked then fewer vaccinated and unvaccinated people would have less doubts.

You could include all of them and it wouldn't even match about a day worth of Covid.