Corruption in English football?

There’s no corruption in the premier league. If there was and it could be proved a journalist would have outed it. Not all journalists are pathetic and there are many who would break such a story.

I totally appreciate that the rags and Liverpool get the most decisions but it’s not down to corruption. It’s down to them being morally bankrupt and knowing when to go down. If there’s a touch they are down. I’m proud that we don’t do the same. It’s clear with VAR that if you get touched and go down you get it and it won’t be overturned. The red clubs are trained to collapse at the slightest touch, we are not and that’s why we get less decisions.
 
It was not widely reported at the time, but when Swansea played Bradford in the League Cup Final, a TV executive was quoted as saying “this will never be allowed to happen again, we cannot sell this anywhere”. For decades TV reported the news and broadcast sport. Then along came SKY, BT etc. where advertising revenues and subscriptions are god, and where controlling the news and the success of certain clubs with global appeal makes more money, and you get the potential for corruption. Chuck in self serving and greedy governing bodies in UEFA and the EPL, multiple American ‘franchise’ owners and the scene was set, they just needed the delivery mechanism = VAR, it is working perfectly for them.
 
Ribchester said:
We might benefit from this latest farce on Wednesday I expect rags will have negotiated a deal to sacrifice the league cup for a share of the EPL, if only to distract and undermine the case for the humble and fair amongst us
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I think you give the cunts who are in charge of the rags far too much credit for a sense of morality.

It is clear that no matter what fans of other clubs think, those is charge are going to blatantly take whatever is on offer and stick two fingers to everybody else.

The United way !
 
Whether or not said:
It was not widely reported at the time, but when Swansea played Bradford in the League Cup Final, a TV executive was quoted as saying “this will never be allowed to happen again, we cannot sell this anywhere”. For decades TV reported the news and broadcast sport. Then along came SKY, BT etc. where advertising revenues and subscriptions are god, and where controlling the news and the success of certain clubs with global appeal makes more money, and you get the potential for corruption. Chuck in self serving and greedy governing bodies in UEFA and the EPL, multiple American ‘franchise’ owners and the scene was set, they just needed the delivery mechanism = VAR, it is working perfectly for them.
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Add into that the "raging fury" these American owned clubs have towards any other clubs who are owned by someone from outside of " their jurisdiction" and you can clearly smell the stench of badness/wrongness
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
I think you give the cunts who are in charge of the rags far too much credit for a sense of morality.

It is clear that no matter what fans of other clubs think, those is charge are going to blatantly take whatever is on offer and stick two fingers to everybody else.

The United way !
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It was a forlorn “might”. Need to up my game shouldn’t let my guard down.

Apologises to all Bluemooners.
 
Blue abroad said:
There’s no corruption in the premier league. If there was and it could be proved a journalist would have outed it. Not all journalists are pathetic and there are many who would break such a story.

I totally appreciate that the rags and Liverpool get the most decisions but it’s not down to corruption. It’s down to them being morally bankrupt and knowing when to go down. If there’s a touch they are down. I’m proud that we don’t do the same. It’s clear with VAR that if you get touched and go down you get it and it won’t be overturned. The red clubs are trained to collapse at the slightest touch, we are not and that’s why we get less decisions.
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No, no, no! It's NOT if you get a touch you go down and get a pen

If you go down with a touch,
you generally don't get it,
VAR (possibly) has a look,
and you still don't get it

If you go down regularly with a touch,
you still generally don't get it,
but now some bloke who presents "homes under the hammer" calls you a cheat for doing it,
all and sundry from Saint'n'Greavsy to GoodMorningBritain climb on board,
it becomes like "tactical fouling" and it gets more mentions than the possible cost of Cancello,
and you get a widespread reputation as a diver,

unless you play for Liverpool or United.

NO OTHER TEAMS.

It's all about what the ref gives BEFORE VAR gets a look in.

Some teams get the decision, VAR looks, agrees, and doesn't over-rule
Many teams don't get the decision, VAR looks, agrees, and doesn't over-rule.

THIS is the crux of the matter.

Two teams get a default YES (agreed with by not over-ruling)
Most others get a default NO (agreed with by not over-ruling)


Oh yeah, of course, silly me, it's just unintentional bias; decisions being swayed by the pressure situations created by the "11th man" baying crowds (oh, wait....), that's how so many home nations do so well in WorldCup tournaments too. Honest.


It's corrupt mate, it's been corrupt for a long time, and it's become even more corrupt since the huge money arrived.
 
Blue abroad said:
There’s no corruption in the premier league. If there was and it could be proved a journalist would have outed it. Not all journalists are pathetic and there are many who would break such a story.
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You just have to realise what it took to expose the mp's expense scandal and scandal is putting it very, very lightly. 1000s of politicians of all persuasions kept very, very quite about it and kept stealing money from the public purse over years and years.

So a few 'rigged' football matches in favour of the some select teams should be relatively easy to keep quiet, especially with the incentive of some hush money.

Make no mistake, this is going on and unless you are in the select few you will be royally screwed.
 
Blue abroad said:
There’s no corruption in the premier league. If there was and it could be proved a journalist would have outed it. Not all journalists are pathetic and there are many who would break such a story.

I totally appreciate that the rags and Liverpool get the most decisions but it’s not down to corruption. It’s down to them being morally bankrupt and knowing when to go down. If there’s a touch they are down. I’m proud that we don’t do the same. It’s clear with VAR that if you get touched and go down you get it and it won’t be overturned. The red clubs are trained to collapse at the slightest touch, we are not and that’s why we get less decisions.
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Spot on.
I'd like to add spurs to the list though.
I'm not sure if they are training those collapses,
but they have the players like Mané, Salah, Kane, Martial and many more to mainly try to play for penalties when the slightest chance is around. Poor.
Of course we need better rules and rule interpretation and much better refs to recognize cheating. VAR included.
 
I’m not sure there’s a corruption as such, as in money changing hands but there’s 100% a biased for certain teams, 2 in particular.
Not only for the penalties they receive but the way their games are refereed as a whole.
You’ve only got to look at last nights game to see how many fouls utd got away with, only to have a few token bookings with minutes of the game remaining.
On the flip side of that is us, the “tactical fouls” we do every game apparently, players falling over all over the pitch leading to us getting 4+ bookings a game.
A team with 75%+ possession in most games and apparently commit the most fouls in a game.
Maybe cash is changing hands, maybe it’s the tv company’s pushing their darlings, whatever it is it fucking stinks!
It’s nothing new, it’s been happening for years but has become more obvious with the introduction of var.
In the past we’d say oh maybe the ref didn’t see it clearly or maybe he’s missed that, but with video replays there shouldn’t be these sort of decisions happening and when they do you have to ask why?
I don’t want referees favouring “the big teams/top 4”, all I want is an even playing field. Win or lose.
This also goes for the media, how many times have we had trial by media? Too fucking many.
Look at the Difference between the Bernardo (£43.5m) and Cavani posts, both the same charge, though one was hung out to dry, condemned and had every expert and pundit baying for blood, whereas the other hardly got a mention, apart from those defending him, lost in translation etc.
Referees need to start being accountable for their actions, that’d be a start, but until then nothing will change.
Rotten to the core.
 
The Referees have grown up influenced by seeing their predecessors take it up the backside from Fergie ,its imprinted in their DNA.... Add a media love in that dates back to Munich and Hillsborough tragedies and the perfect storm of media plus latent bias in football hierachy and you get what we have had on view for decades.
 
Owdman said:
You just have to realise what it took to expose the mp's expense scandal and scandal is putting it very, very lightly. 1000s of politicians of all persuasions kept very, very quite about it and kept stealing money from the public purse over years and years.

So a few 'rigged' football matches in favour of the some select teams should be relatively easy to keep quiet, especially with the incentive of some hush money.

Make no mistake, this is going on and unless you are in the select few you will be royally screwed.
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The other question I'd ask is in whose interest it would be to blow the whistle. There's a reason American owners are piling in. Money isn't just made from profits, every transfer, contract signed has its skim-offs so it's a cash cow for everyone. The owners of most PL clubs don't give a toss about winning the thing, they probably never will, the important thing is just keeping their nose in the trough.

So who is likely to break ranks ? City's owners ? And who would believe us ?
 
Having a debate with 2 family members who just don't see it. Don't want to see it. They're too giddy at being joint top.

Anyone got some cold hard facts for me to send them?
 
Blue abroad said:
There’s no corruption in the premier league. If there was and it could be proved a journalist would have outed it. Not all journalists are pathetic and there are many who would break such a story.

I totally appreciate that the rags and Liverpool get the most decisions but it’s not down to corruption. It’s down to them being morally bankrupt and knowing when to go down. If there’s a touch they are down. I’m proud that we don’t do the same. It’s clear with VAR that if you get touched and go down you get it and it won’t be overturned. The red clubs are trained to collapse at the slightest touch, we are not and that’s why we get less decisions.
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This is one of the more reasonable posts in this thread, not least because it does make some mention of the need for proof and there is nothing which would satisfy a court, and corruption is a matter for the courts. What we saw last night at OT was NOT corruption but a decision by a referee, confirmed by VAR, with which we disagreed. For this to be corrupt it would have to be PROVED that the referee (and other officials involved) took the decision for reasons other than the application of the laws of the game (eg to ensure United got the three points) OR that they had conspired with a third party influence the course and outcome of the game (eg a betting syndicate or an official of another football club). Proof has to be beyond reasonable doubt and evidence such as the regularity of "controversial" decisions in favour of the same clubs is not proof of any kind. Nor is hearsay: "this will never be allowed to happen again" is something we may read on Bluemoon - unless we have irrefutable evidence that the said official took illegal measures to ensure it didn't happen again. It is clear that corruption is very difficult indeed to prove.

I do, however, have real difficulty in accepting your assertion that "There's no corruption in the premier league". My SUSPICION is that corruption is actually quite widespread, but I certainly have no proof and I have no idea whether certain clubs, certain officials or betting syndicates or all three are behind it.
 
give it to gordon said:
YES as for proof we all saw yet again with our own eyes yesterday. What other explanation can there be ? A slight tangle of legs with the help of VAR saw it as a pen. Since VAR the cheating has become more obvious but no one will speak out because they want jobs within the industry
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Yes as l walked the dog in the snow l was thinking the same so you beat me to it. Its ridiculous to even consider that out of such a huge body of journalists,few if any openly say how poor the game has become since VAR and refs have become immune from criticism.
 
Jesus2020 said:
Having a debate with 2 family members who just don't see it. Don't want to see it. They're too giddy at being joint top.

Anyone got some cold hard facts for me to send them?
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Almost every game those 2 have played in the last 2 seasons
 
Owdman said:
Show them a clip of the donkey tripping himself up and getting a penalty.
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Bloke at my work reckons pogba has form for this. His trick. Would be good to see a series of pics of it to share
 
Stortz said:
Spot on we’re all talking about the rags “help” this season like it’s a new thing they were placed were

keys is probably the only one to bang the drum about it he’s got an axe to grind with sky and he will definitely know about the dodgy going’s on
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I said at the end of last season to watch out for Utd and his season as it’s gonna be there turn to maybe win the title and it’s happening now with he luck and decisions they have now been put into a title race that they should be nowhere near . Last season Liverpool deservedly won the title but the year before every decision went there way and it was only because of a historical run of games undefeated that we did it . Get ready for it because these fuckers could win it .
 
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