COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[inbetween]

It is when they keep getting lucrative contracts in spite of their record.

Let's not pretend that it's just public sector IT that's a shambles, after spending 30 years working in IT on different financial services systems I know that the private sector is equally as riddled with shoddy practices and corner-cutting.

It's not even the public sector or any sector, it's every sector. IT infrastructure is generally very poor because to most it's a cost of business and not an opportunity to excel (forbid the pun). No-one is going to invest in upgrading or revising tools whilst the current ones work.

The company I work for was forced to effectively move overnight from Windows 7 to 10 because of COVID (new working from home laptops all have Windows 10). The problems have never stopped because many of the toolsets we use were never made to work with Windows 10 and some of the companies that made them went bust or stopped support years ago.

You could argue today why wasn't this thought of years ago but well here we are.

 

[bluemcr]

Are we heading for another national lockdown?

 

[Healdplace]

Are we heading for another national lockdown?

London and the south is still relatively low compared to NW/NE/Yorkshire where most of the current wave is occurring. So I am not sure they will go that far.

10,348 of the added cases late last night were from the NW and Yorkshire/NE regions.

1965 were from London.

The targetted lockdown concept seems predicated on being able to justify why the north will be battered more by severe restrictions. As the data does unfortunately decree.

 

[shemnel]

Are we heading for another national lockdown?

as the news has reported and has been on here, theyre looking to roll out a 3 tier system very soon where tier 1 represents national normal (rule of 6, 10 pm closing, can have people in your house etc), tier 2 being what Lancs is in now (no meeting in houses, etc) and tier 3 which is a slight step further towards what we had in March and April

question remaining is on what geographical scale these will apply. Surely finer than the 7 big regions but you want to avoid a mad patchwork as well.

dunno, they might go for lockdown, but i cant see it myself. if it did happen, it would not be like what we had in spring. as a mate put it the other day, as long as your paying something to someone, you can do things :D

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

I meant the end to end system. They can't have run a proper stress test on it because if they had this problem would have been flagged. It's clownshoe stuff but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

This simply comes down to someone not knowing the row limit of Excel (.xlsx) is 1,048,576 and also someone not having an error trapping routine to notify a part export failure. I've seen these issues many times before but the second one is the most serious because it is very easy for an export to excel to fail for other reasons. The end to end process will work when it is set up.

 

[Healdplace]

To further emphasise the disparity between north and south and why the national lock down won't happen unless it changes.

In the past week the NW/NE/Yorkshire region have added to the total 376 patients increase of those in hospital and have 1388 in with Covid. And they have risen by 53 new ventilated patients to total 173.

But in the London/SE/SW regions only 25 patients have been added into hospital between them and 7 new ventilated patients in that week and now total 430 patients and 61 on ventilators.

As you can see the current outbreaks are extremely focused.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Planned to go to Berlin i Novemeber/Decemeber and probbaly still will but as I will be flying from the North West, we will need a negative test and/or quarentine for 14 days when we get there. I won't be there for 14 days, unfortunatley

 

[Northernstorirs]

as the news has reported and has been on here, theyre looking to roll out a 3 tier system very soon where tier 1 represents national normal (rule of 6, 10 pm closing, can have people in your house etc), tier 2 being what Lancs is in now (no meeting in houses, etc) and tier 3 which is a slight step further towards what we had in March and April

question remaining is on what geographical scale these will apply. Surely finer than the 7 big regions but you want to avoid a mad patchwork as well.

dunno, they might go for lockdown, but i cant see it myself. if it did happen, it would not be like what we had in spring. as a mate put it the other day, as long as your paying something to someone, you can do things :D

I will be very pissed off if Tier 3 is implemented. It's suggested that it would involve the below..


Alert level 3 – the most serious – contains tougher measures than any seen so far in local lockdowns since the start of the pandemic. They include:

• Closure of hospitality and leisure businesses.
• No social contact outside your household in any setting.
• Restrictions on overnight stays away from home.
• No organised non-professional sports permitted or other communal hobby groups and activities, such as social clubs in community centres.
• Places of worship can remain open.

Businesses have suffered enough thanks to this government, it would be overkill if tier 3 is ever deployed.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

the whole walk round the pub with a mask but take it off when sat at table just doesn't really work

was about 20+ football team lot and others yesterday in pub, whole thing was a shambles - wasn't enough table and chairs, barmen going mad at some people for sitting more than 6, waitress never come over to ask if needed a drink but we weren't allowed to go up to the bar. not worth the hassle.

The whole going to the pub thing seems a little daft given current circumstances, certainly in Gtr Manchester where you can only go to the pub with ppl you live with! What’s the point? Just stay at home

 

[Healdplace]

Looks like Wales are considering insisting on quarantine/isolation to people coming into there from parts of the UK most impacted like the NW. They are to discuss it with their scientific advisers today.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Are we heading for another national lockdown?

Unlikely as it will massively impact the north and further drive a wedge in the north / south divide which we all know exists but politicians try to deny.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths data is good news. Though with the heavy caveat of Sunday data and a likely catch up tomorrow.

Just 10 deaths and 0 from yesterday (Sunday though) and 3 from the NW.

Last Monday it was also 10 with 1 from the Sunday and 3 from the NW.

So that it has not risen for the first time in a few days is a good sign.

But we will see what happens over the next few days.

 

[True_Blue69]

I will be very pissed off if Tier 3 is implemented. It's suggested that it would involve the below..


Alert level 3 – the most serious – contains tougher measures than any seen so far in local lockdowns since the start of the pandemic. They include:

• Closure of hospitality and leisure businesses.
• No social contact outside your household in any setting.
• Restrictions on overnight stays away from home.
• No organised non-professional sports permitted or other communal hobby groups and activities, such as social clubs in community centres.
• Places of worship can remain open.

Businesses have suffered enough thanks to this government, it would be overkill if tier 3 is ever deployed.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...n-illegal-court-judicial-review-boris-johnson

Hopefully he wins and the lockdown gets ruled illegal and the stupid traffic light system never gets off the ground.

 

[Healdplace]

Full England hospital deaths data:

4 Oct adds 0 = 0 after one day. This is the first 0 even from a Sunday since 14 September.

3 Oct adds 7 = 14 after 2 days. This is the lowest two day total since last Monday when it was 8.

2 Oct adds 1 = 28 after 3 days.

1 Oct adds 2 = 37 after 4 days.

No others were added and so the five day total for 30 Sep stays at 39 and has stayed at that number now all weekend after being 34 after just 2 days.

This is however the highest 5 day total in England since 24 June (when it was 47).

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data:

0 deaths happily (but again Sunday data).

but a whopping 596 cases at 5.3% testing positive.

 

[Blue Llama]

I will certainly be pissed off if GM ends up with a blanket severe lockdown based on number of cases. Surely the incompetents running the show from Westminster and PHE recognize that a big reason for the spike in the North West is student based cases. Or has nobody told the prat in charge that Manchester has the largest campus in Europe!

 

[worsleyweb]

Wales data:

0 deaths happily (but again Sunday data).

but a whopping 596 cases at 5.3% testing positive.

Without wishing to sound too positive i keep seeing Wales 0 deaths - or very low numbers. Even if we get to 100 a day deaths which seems unlikely for 6 months it is only going to 18,000 which in a normal year we would not even hear about?

 

[Healdplace]

Without wishing to sound too positive i keep seeing Wales 0 deaths - or very low numbers. Even if we get to 100 a day deaths which seems unlikely for 6 months it is only going to 18,000 which in a normal year we would not even hear about?

Weekends rarely report deaths in Wales or Scotland. Wait for tomorrow.

Wales had 14 deaths over 3 days before the weekend. For a tiny nation that is a lot.

They have escalated quite rapidly in the past week or so.

Too early to call which way it will go. Especially on Sunday data numbers like today.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Give over PHE is bag of shit.
I did some work for them 4 years ago. Incompetent from top to bottom.
The fact that Serco aren't much better is neither here nor there.

I am not surprised PHE is shit. Around that time, virtually anyone in PHE could move across to NHS England on promotion so problems were inevitable.

That doesn’t change the fact that Dido took the gig on to turn around track and trace and it’s been a shambles. She’s been brining in her own peole and things have gone from bad to worse. Political involvement doesn’t help either.

We / the public are likely looking to be paying for the failures of the the UK’s track and trace failures for a long time. Both in terms of public health and financial liabilities. Btw there was enough time and money to incentivise GPs to help to lead track and trace working with local Public Health Teams.

 

[Healdplace]

N Ireland data:

0 deaths (v o last week)

616 cases at 4.5% positive (last week 220 at 2.0%)

The rolling case average is 3630 over the past 7 days. A huge number for NI. (It was 1513 seven days ago so more thn doubled).

Of these 3630 just over 11.5% (420) are aged 60 + with 77 over 80. The biggest age range is 1540 in the 20 - 39 age group with 980 aged 40 - 59. The remainder were 0 - 19 years old.

Hospital patients 64 - which is down 1. (This was 51 last week)

ICU ventilators are 8 (also down 1) (this was 6 last week).