Crystal Palace (H) | Post Match Thread

[Danny Hoekman]

Hallelujah. We do have some fans that understand the rules of Association Football.

Laws

 

[richards30]

We needed one three weeks ago.

agreed. the word on the street as well was we would still get a senior left back even with gomez coming in?

 

[stonerblue]

agreed. the word on the street as well was we would still get a senior left back even with gomez coming in?

Not having a 'proper' full back that can defend is fine when we're steamrollering average teams. When we come up against the cream of the crop it's a liability.
Saying that, i watched Forrest yesterday and their front 3/4 move the ball very quickly when attacking. We will need our full-backs to hold their position and not be pissing about in the centre circle

 

[Blue Maverick]

It surely falls under the end of this sentence in the laws though:

• prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from the hands or kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it

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Ederson is in the process of releasing the ball there.

It’s like standing in front when trying to take a quick free kick, we don’t see enough bookings for this, we should just kick it against the player, automatic yellow, if they are stupid enough they’ll get sent off if they’ve already got one.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

But the Palace player raised his leg after the ball had been rolled out and not before.

Ffs he didn’t and even moving to impede the throw is enough for a free kick. Get over it, we weren’t lucky it was the right decision. Even if the red gave the goal even a shit VAR would have overturned it. The goal wouldn’t have been allowed at under 10 level so stop being a wum.

 

[Vic]

Doesn't var work for fouls? The forearm smash on cancelo before their 2nd goal.

Yes, if it had been serious foul play, and thus a red card. Given the 'high bar' PGMOL are applying this season (until someone is seriously injured) VAR would have judged it yellow - flailing arms unless "excessive force" wouldn't be a red - like they didn't ask the ref to look at Haaland's boot to the face of an opponent. They don't intervene for missed yellow cards.

But it should have been given as a foul, so free kick to us, rather than a Palace corner, and still 1-0.

It's for the media thread why Haaland's boot and the "disallowed" goal have got all the coverage, and not Ayew's use of the forearm.

 

[Vic]

It’s like standing in front when trying to take a quick free kick, we don’t see enough bookings for this, we should just kick it against the player, automatic yellow, if they are stupid enough they’ll get sent off if they’ve already got one.

It's not an automatic yellow. "If, when a free kick is taken, an opponent is closer to the ball than the required distance, the kick is retaken unless the advantage can be applied; but if a player takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue. However, an opponent who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned for delaying the restart of play."

So to get a yellow, the opponent would have to mke some movement to get in the way (either of the player taking the kick or of the ball).

 

[Vic]

Laws

I think the emphasis is not on what you call them, but on understanding them, or at least reading them. But there's a bit of this too, with interpretation governed by "the spirit of the law"and "what football expects" (sometimes).

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Absolutely hate the system at present.

There is no universe where Kyle should have the main responsibility to touch the ball more than anyone else to create an overload in midfield.

He's the wrong side of the ball on every counter, people confusing him being done for pace, rather than the fact he is taken out of the game.

Stones resembling a shitting dog because he has to come out to cover the right-back space, Walker sometimes doubling up with him in desperation, a hole in the middle of the defence.

I know Klopp does similar with Terence Trent Derby, but he is a midfielder in all but name, his ability to pass and deliver is on a different level.

We need to address it quickly, somehow get Cancelo back as the spare man in the midfield.

I do think that can be addressed if Mahrez is replaced by Bernie on the right, but it then leaves us shorn of legs and energy in the middle and have concerns Kev is also becoming more reliant on legs around him?

 

[waspish]

Absolutely hate the system at present.

There is no universe where Kyle should have the main responsibility to touch the ball more than anyone else to create an overload in midfield.

He's the wrong side of the ball on every counter, people confusing him being done for pace, rather than the fact he is taken out of the game.

Stones resembling a shitting dog because he has to come out to cover the right-back space, Walker sometimes doubling up with him in desperation, a whole in the middle of the defence.

I know Klopp does similar with Terence Trent Derby, but he is a midfielder in all but name, his ability to pass and deliver is on a different level.

We need to address it quickly, somehow get Cancelo back as the spare man in the midfield.

I do think that can be addressed if Mahrez is replaced by Bernie on the right, but it then leaves us shorn of legs and energy in the middle and have concerns Kev is also becoming more reliant on legs around him?

Agree Annoyed me when Walker has the ball Kdb to his right and HE thinks he is the better player get the ball in the box His job should be stopping the counter once he has the ball pass it to Kdb or occasionally those cross field balls to foden! What’s weird is peps seems happy with it..

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yes, if it had been serious foul play, and thus a red card. Given the 'high bar' PGMOL are applying this season (until someone is seriously injured) VAR would have judged it yellow - flailing arms unless "excessive force" wouldn't be a red - like they didn't ask the ref to look at Haaland's boot to the face of an opponent. They don't intervene for missed yellow cards.

But it should have been given as a foul, so free kick to us, rather than a Palace corner, and still 1-0.

It's for the media thread why Haaland's boot and the "disallowed" goal have got all the coverage, and not Ayew's use of the forearm.

Didn't you mean to say No at the start of your answer?

VAR can not get involved in a missed foul unless a goal is directly scored or a red card has been missed.

 

[adr2.8i]

Anybody else not able to watch the full match replay on the city+ app? I get an error you are not entitled to view this asset message pop up when I try to load it up?? Every other video works though! :-(

 

[champo]

I think you need to realise that the majority of fans have little real understanding of pep , his tactics and genius. They hanker after up and at em football and are easily flustered.

I didn't hear booing near me but could from the South. The clueless near me just want the ball "forward" and don't really get the recycling part of peps plan.

I was in 109 and heard similar nonsense. How can people not see that we have one of the greatest managers of all time and that he knows more about football than any of us? I heard the usual get it forward and groans when we didn’t force passes through. At one point one guy was telling Kyle Walker where he should be on the pitch and berating him for his position.

 

[Vic]

Laws of the game and FA rules

www.thefa.com

Football is generally a very simple sport and the laws of football are generally very simple too.

I'm not sure "simple" is how I'd describe the Laws these days. Trying to cover every situation and failing, and leaving in redundant and misleading language like "gaining an advantage", and with PGMOL doing its own thing re what constitutes "serious foul play" and why and when VAR should intervene.

 

[Vic]

Didn't you mean to say No at the start of your answer?

VAR can not get involved in a missed foul unless a goal is directly scored or a red card has been missed.

No. The question was "Doesn't var work for fouls?"

So, yes it does if it's a red card offence (which is how I answered), but no it doesn't if VAR judges it not a red card offence. VAR didn't think it was a missed red card and the protocol says they can't intervene for a yellow, even if that means it should have been a free kick.

And that's more complicated now because VAR overturned Trippier's red card last week when very few people (fans, pundits, referees) would say it was a clear and obvious mistake.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No. The question was "Doesn't var work for fouls?"

So, yes it does if it's a red card offence (which is how I answered), but no it doesn't if VAR judges it not a red card offence. VAR didn't think it was a missed red card.

And that's more complicated now because VAR overturned Trippier's red card last week when very few people (fans, pundits, referees) would say it was a clear and obvious mistake.

Yeah, so VAR doesn’t judge fouls save the ones like the one in the Wolves game.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The foody blue is always worth a watch....

 

[Vic]

Yeah, so VAR doesn’t judge fouls save the ones like the one in the Wolves game.

That was a foul leading to a goal, so they do judge.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

That was a foul leading to a goal, so they do judge.

Yes, as I said!

Its the only circumstance they do, not to negate a corner being given.

 

[Phil1]

People are still disputing it was the correct decision to give a free kick for the Ederson incident? Haha!
It was as blatant as the nose on your face. The Palace player stuck his leg out to block the goalkeeper from releasing the ball.
The game really has moved on too fast for some.