D-Day - Student Protests in London, 09/12/10

[johnmc]

Water cannons for me, no one hurt everyone goes home because it's fucking freezing.

Obviously only when the peaceful demonstration stops.

Totally agree. No one could argue "brutallity" with a simple hose.

 

[dannybcity]

Water cannons for me, no one hurt everyone goes home because it's fucking freezing.

Obviously only when the peaceful demonstration stops.

If you started using water cannons on violent demonstrations how long before they were used on every demonstration? It didn't take the police long to use anti-terror legislation on football fans.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Water cannons for me, no one hurt everyone goes home because it's fucking freezing.

Obviously only when the peaceful demonstration stops.

If you started using water cannons on violent demonstrations how long before they were used on every demonstration? It didn't take the police long to use anti-terror legislation on football fans.

 

[IFeedGoats]

Water cannons for me, no one hurt everyone goes home because it's fucking freezing.

Obviously only when the peaceful demonstration stops.

If you started using water cannons on violent demonstrations how long before they were used on every demonstration? It didn't take the police long to use anti-terror legislation on football fans.

You answered your own question there mate, if it's a violent demonstration then why not hose them down?

 

[dannybcity]

If you started using water cannons on violent demonstrations how long before they were used on every demonstration? It didn't take the police long to use anti-terror legislation on football fans.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/how-local-councils-use-anti-terror-laws-to-spy-on-ordinary-people-1.828851" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.heraldscotland.com/how-local ... e-1.828851</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7753375/Councils-use-anti-terror-powers-to-check-for-dog-collars.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... llars.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232513/Photographer-taking-pictures-Christmas-lights-questioned-police-anti-terror-laws.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -laws.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/29/police-stopped-101-248-under-anti-terror-law-last-year-but-didn-t-make-a-single-arrest-115875-22666532/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -22666532/</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/photographers-snap-over-use-of-section-44-by-police-officers-1833839.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 33839.html</a>

Shall I go on?<br /><br />-- Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:29 pm --<br /><br />

You answered your own question there mate, if it's a violent demonstration then why not hose them down?

Because as I hope I'll illustrated with the above articles the police often use powers in situations that they were not intended to be used for.

 

[yerwot?]

the new for-profit loans are inflation plus 3%. Up to the financial melt-down and back to the 70's wages have broadly risen as you say,but the next forty years imo will be very different.In the past when jobs were plentiful,employers were competing for workers,T's and C's reflected this,decent pensions etc.Those times will never return(short of war or epidemic) again in my opinion,there is neither the will or talent to be anything but a nation reliant on 'financial services'.Long term ,when wages in India and China overtake ours ,then it may be that we could be the new Taiwan or Hongkong.

you might be right mate, we don't know what is going to happen in the next thirty years or so but if you are right and wages stay low then the students won't have to pay it back anyway

or afford a house in the south east,thats for sure.Any way ,decent craic,have a good one

 

[without a dream]

The 'I'm alright fuck the rest' attitude in this thread is staggering.

 

[IFeedGoats]

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/how-local-councils-use-anti-terror-laws-to-spy-on-ordinary-people-1.828851" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.heraldscotland.com/how-local ... e-1.828851</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7753375/Councils-use-anti-terror-powers-to-check-for-dog-collars.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... llars.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232513/Photographer-taking-pictures-Christmas-lights-questioned-police-anti-terror-laws.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -laws.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/29/police-stopped-101-248-under-anti-terror-law-last-year-but-didn-t-make-a-single-arrest-115875-22666532/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -22666532/</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/photographers-snap-over-use-of-section-44-by-police-officers-1833839.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 33839.html</a>

Shall I go on?

-- Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:29 pm --

You answered your own question there mate, if it's a violent demonstration then why not hose them down?

Because as I hope I'll illustrated with the above articles the police often use powers in situations that they were not intended to be used for.

Obviously if the hose is used incorrectly that is equally as bad. But what should be done, leave violent protesters to their own devices, until the get board and go home? I personally think that if demos turn violent and start defacing public\private property setting fires etc than the right is there to get them wet.

 

[Balti]

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/how-local-councils-use-anti-terror-laws-to-spy-on-ordinary-people-1.828851" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.heraldscotland.com/how-local ... e-1.828851</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7753375/Councils-use-anti-terror-powers-to-check-for-dog-collars.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... llars.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232513/Photographer-taking-pictures-Christmas-lights-questioned-police-anti-terror-laws.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -laws.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/29/police-stopped-101-248-under-anti-terror-law-last-year-but-didn-t-make-a-single-arrest-115875-22666532/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -22666532/</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/photographers-snap-over-use-of-section-44-by-police-officers-1833839.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 33839.html</a>

Shall I go on?

-- Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:29 pm --



Because as I hope I'll illustrated with the above articles the police often use powers in situations that they were not intended to be used for.

Obviously if the hose is used incorrectly that is equally as bad. But what should be done, leave violent protesters to their own devices, until the get board and go home? I personally think that if demos turn violent and start defacing public\private property setting fires etc than the right is there to get them wet.

lets face it most students need a good shower

 

[dannybcity]

Obviously if the hose is used incorrectly that is equally as bad. But what should be done, leave violent protesters to their own devices, until the get board and go home? I personally think that if demos turn violent and start defacing public\private property setting fires etc than the right is there to get them wet.

Exactly my point, firstly it was to be used upon violent protesters, now it's acceptable to turn it on those starting fires, defacing public property. Let's be honest water cannons aren't used to just get people wet, they knock people off their feet. Last year in Germany two men lost their eye sight because of them.

Furthermore, police have been given the power to "kettle" protesters, it's not stopped violence. Indeed, it could be argued it only exacerbates the problem. What happens when water cannons stop working? Rubber bullets?