Daily Horse Racing \ Tipping thread

markbmcfc said:
I think i've missed something.

Junior can't travel? You think because he's off the bridle that isn't travelling? I've ridden before so maybe I look at it differently, but a horse being off the bit doesn't mean he isn't travelling. It's about the length of the reign and how he responds to it. There is also the pace of the race to consider, as was the case yesterday. He was on the bridle until Pentiffic was sent on, Scu let him go initially but then had to go after him, released his reigns and gave him a tap on the shoulder which signals the horse to speed up. The pace was a little too quick because he wants a further distance so he had to be scrubbed along to keep up with the pace (as were the other horses in the race, including the winner). At no point in the race did he 'not travel'. Horses are different in personality, you get horses like Cue Card that travel on the bridle and could probably finish the race on the bridle but when asked the question finds quite little. Junior finds plenty every time. A question of a horses character is what they can find and how far they can stay. Pegasus himself wouldn't win the National on the bridle, its a race that is set up for stamina and guts. Junior has both, and whilst he doesnt have the technical ability of the best horses, he has plenty of spirit. That's why he won't win a gold cup but will do well in a grand national.

I'm not saying Junior will win the national, or that he's good enough to. Im saying his character suits the needs of the race, perhaps more than others.

As for yesterday. Any notion that the weights don't matter when your neck and neck on a run in with a horse 2 stone lighter is complete nonsense i'm afraid, its a matter of physics if nothing else. It's also very clear that the winner is extremely well handicapped and he's been added to my notebook for his next run. Will be interested to see how far he is put up.

I personally think Junior is a front runner, he's not a horse that can come off the pace unless the leaders come back to him. He's a horse that digs in and stays. I'd have him sent on whenever he runs, and I think Scu wanted to but Pentiffic went off too quick. For the national, its imperitive he get's well placed early with the leaders or his chance will be gone before the 2nd fence. Also needs to brush up his jumping to get round.

To clarify, i'm not sat here saying he will win the National, or he is better than the other horses in it. I'm merely giving a retort to some of the suggestions on here, because one or two statements made at him and his character are more than absurd.

Mark, just another question on Junior.

Its quite clear that he needs further, that much is true, hence him going for the national, but with me watching him carefully yesterday and picking up on his jumping overall, what is your thoughts on the way he jumps, was yetserday a bad day at the office for the horse in terms of jumping, or does the horse jump the way he did yesterday quite regular?
 
Best way I can describe his jumping is he gets over them.

Never fell or unseated in his life.

He almost has his own style of jumping at times, he just likes to measure them a bit too much. He takes them low and fast and always has done and if he doesnt time it quite right he can go through them. It's quite clear he needs to jump better round Aintree, but what's to say he can't?

If Pipe didn't think he could get round Aintree, there is no way in hell he'd send him there, it's too much of a risk to the life of the horse. He's well loved at Pipe's yard, they'd never take that risk unless they thought it was worth it.
 
Eh! both the winner and Junior were catching Pentiffic when it fell directly in front of Junior ,basically breaking his stride . Another 10yds and he would of won it , I was sure he`d got up judging by the camera but alas it was a bad angle and wasnt to be . Thats horseracing . Nothing to be sore about , at least we got a run for our money you cant say that every day in this game .
Juniors a stayer it reminds me of older horses that plod on in races and end up outbeating others by just grinding them down ,horse and jockey did well to reajust at the last another attribute required to get around The National fences .

Got my dough back off Ballgarry ,very impressive . And Aeriel, wont be backing that with confidence again , thats racing .
 
leighton said:
Leanne in the 4.00 at Leopardstown well worth a look at. A good each way bet and in my view has a decent chance of winning the race today.

Get in Leighton!!! Had £2 e/w (12/1) :D
 
markbmcfc said:
Best way I can describe his jumping is he gets over them.

Never fell or unseated in his life.

So there is the answer to all the people who say he is a dodgy jumper then, plenty of good jumpers fall and you only have to take a look at one of the best in kauto Star and his last fence horrors over the years but he also hasnt fallen that often.

Plus the national fences are now so built up with loose birch a horse jumping low will more than likely just glide through like a hot knife through butter.

Now I dont fancy the horse for the national myself but it seems some take a great delight in knocking somebody else's horse.
 
speccybob 8 said:
leighton said:
Leanne in the 4.00 at Leopardstown well worth a look at. A good each way bet and in my view has a decent chance of winning the race today.

Get in Leighton!!! Had £2 e/w (12/1) :D

Rule 4 35p in the £ twats!!!
 
speccybob 8 said:
speccybob 8 said:
leighton said:
Leanne in the 4.00 at Leopardstown well worth a look at. A good each way bet and in my view has a decent chance of winning the race today.

Get in Leighton!!! Had £2 e/w (12/1) :D

Rule 4 35p in the £ twats!!!

Bob cant do anything about the Rule 4 but it was a nice winner. Knew going over the last it would run on. To cut that back and win the race was great to see. It could be out again at Aintree or depending on how it is a race in Cheltenham in 2 weeks time.

Just took 25/1 each way in Cheltenham in the 2.40 race on the first day. Non Runner no bet as well which helps.
 
leighton said:
speccybob 8 said:
speccybob 8 said:
Get in Leighton!!! Had £2 e/w (12/1) :D

Rule 4 35p in the £ twats!!!

Bob cant do anything about the Rule 4 but it was a nice winner. Knew going over the last it would run on. To cut that back and win the race was great to see. It could be out again at Aintree or depending on how it is a race in Cheltenham in 2 weeks time.

Great winner mate. Very rare I go off tips but I had a few spare £ in my account and thought why not :)
 
Theres nothing wrong with a bit of criticism regarding junior he just simply isn't as good as some folk think,it's a forum and we are allowed to have a dig at the horse.
 

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