Daunte Wright Killed by Minnesota Officer Following Traffic Stop

[bert38]

I just don't like Murdering Cunts.

You had no problem with Toledo firing at passing cars? Was that just a bit of fun?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You had no problem with Toledo firing at passing cars? Was that just a bit of fun?

That isn't even alleged by the prosecutors. It was the 21yr old adult that they claim was responsible for shooting the gun. I know you are hurting after what happened to your officers but don't lose your humanity. I mean that sincerely, I'm not being snide.

That kid was being exploited by an adult, I'm sure you have experiences of that if you have encountered young offenders involved in County lines or general drug pushing.

It is possible to think people are cunts and still deserving of sympathy. I used to work in children social care and although I had never met any of them thought that about some of the older lads involved with crime. If you get dealt a shit hand in life it deserves appreciation, doesn't mean you give them a free pass.

Killing of Adam Toledo - Wikipedia

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[The blue phantom]

You had no problem with Toledo firing at passing cars? Was that just a bit of fun?

We get that you will defend the police no matter what crime they commit, this one being murder. But ffs if you're going to come up with a post like that which has actually not been reported anywhere, not one single newspaper/Online article or TV report of the 13 year old doing it you've simply lost any fuckin credibility that you had, which was next to Zero.

I certainly wouldn't of liked to have been pulled over by you when you once wore the uniform, Who knows what you'd of written in your notebook.

 

[feedthegoat27]

Bert is just desperate for any story or angle that can paint the people shot/killed in a negative light and absolve the police from any responsibility.

He's literally plucking stories and narratives out of thin air for his agenda.

It's actually quite sad to see a retired officer stooping so low in order to try and protect his former profession and justify civilians getting needlessly killed by the police.

 

[bert38]

We get that you will defend the police no matter what crime they commit, this one being murder. But ffs if you're going to come up with a post like that which has actually not been reported anywhere, not one single newspaper/Online article or TV report of the 13 year old doing it you've simply lost any fuckin credibility that you had, which was next to Zero.

I certainly wouldn't of liked to have been pulled over by you when you once wore the uniform, Who knows what you'd of written in your notebook.

jesus wept. There is plenty of footage of him and the older male firing shots.

In UK law there is something known as the doctrine of 'joint enterprise' which in reality means if they are acting together its not who pulls the trigger. Now I dont know if there is a similar law in the US.

But keep making a martyr out of Toledo. Would you be happy to drive past him or any of your family? No.

 

[bert38]

Bert is just desperate for any story or angle that can paint the people shot/killed in a negative light and absolve the police from any responsibility.

He's literally plucking stories and narratives out of thin air for his agenda.

It's actually quite sad to see a retired officer stooping so low in order to try and protect his former profession and justify civilians getting needlessly killed by the police.

So Toledo didnt paint himself in a negative light at all? firing guns at passing cars...that ok in your book?

Needlessly killed by police-he got himself in that position. Stop being so naive.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So Toledo didnt paint himself in a negative light at all? firing guns at passing cars...that ok in your book?

Needlessly killed by police-he got himself in that position. Stop being so naive.

Are you David Duckinfield?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

So Toledo didnt paint himself in a negative light at all? firing guns at passing cars...that ok in your book?

Needlessly killed by police-he got himself in that position. Stop being so naive.

They aren't claiming that he fired the shots. Don't go down the rabbit hole.

Prosecutors detail the night police shot Adam Toledo, 13, during court hearing for man who was with him and charged with carrying gun

A man who fired a gun as he stood next to 13-year-old Adam Toledo on a Little Village street corner sparked the chain of events that led to Toledo’s fatal shooting by Chicago police, Cook Cou…

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[bert38]

That isn't even alleged by the prosecutors. It was the 21yr old adult that they claim was responsible for shooting the gun. I know you are hurting after what happened to your officers but don't lose your humanity. I mean that sincerely, I'm not being snide.

That kid was being exploited by an adult, I'm sure you have experiences of that if you have encountered young offenders involved in County lines or general drug pushing.

It is possible to think people are cunts and still deserving of sympathy. I used to work in children social care and although I had never met any of them thought that about some of the older lads involved with crime. If you get dealt a shit hand in life it deserves appreciation, doesn't mean you give them a free pass.

Killing of Adam Toledo - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I dont disagree with any of that-i even mentioned the influence of older males in relationships with juveniles but called a dogwhistle racist for it.

But as i replied to a more pointed post-the UK has a law known as the doctrine of joint enterprise which means if it can be shown they acted together it does not matter who fired the weapon. And obv I'm not sure if a comparable act applies in the US or that state.

I've also said once a person comes into contact with the police it is often too late-where were his family through all this? he didnt just fall into bad company that night, it wouldve been a gradual process. Where were the educators, social care? I keep repeating it runs much deeper than the police but all the replies (granted not yours) just want to blame the officer who chased an armed suspect (he has no idea how old he is or who may have fired it) and was given less than a second to decide. The problem came months or years before that moment.

 

[KPXBLN]

On the taser point, we can argue whether or not it was appropriate in this case to use a taser, but we've definitely seen examples in the past of police using tasers because it makes their life easier rather than because it's strictly necessary. Tasering protesters who aren't moving. Tasing people who are already restrained on the ground as motivation to do as they're told. This suggests to me a culture of being quick to draw the taser with anyone uncooperative rather than only to deal with violent or threatening individuals. I think that's a problem regardless of what happened in this case.

There also seems to be a culture, based on some of the reading I've done, where the welfare of the police officer is the absolutely only important factor in a traffic stop or any other interaction with the public. They have to draw a gun in case someone they've stopped for a traffic violation has a gun, as if the country is full of people who will happily murder a police officer to get out of a court date. Everything in the system is designed to remove any responsibility for police officers for their actions. There are laws designed to protect them from prosecution if they were on duty at the time, rules to prevent those found guilty of misdemeanors from being removed permanently from service, and guidelines from the top to treat every incident as life-threatening complete with training that reinforces this point. Imagine if other services acted this way. Firefighters who refuse to go into a burning building because it might be a bit dangerous. Yes, it's a dangerous job. That's what they signed up for, and a shoot first policy is not an appropriate way to mitigate the risk, but that seems to be how they frequently operate in these cases that result in the deaths of unarmed individuals. It's a dangerous job (22nd most dangerous in the US) and obviously you want to do everything you can to make it safer, but if the measures you're taking are making it more dangerous for everyone else who interacts with the police, then you're doing it wrong.

But it's interesting to look at the statistics. 48 police officers were killed on duty in 2019, which is pretty close to the 41 officers killed by accidents (there are just under 700,000 full time officers in the US). 6 of these were traffic stops. The police annually kill around 1000 people, and you would of course assume that most of those are people who are a threat. But 1 in 6 people killed by police are unarmed, with black people three times as likely to be killed when unarmed than white people.

Only just seen this comment, which is really excellent. You point to a big part of the problem. A massively important premise of policing culture in the US is that almost no level of risk to police officers is deemed acceptable, and that in order to minimise risk to police, almost limitless danger to civilians is accepted and regarded as normal.