It's not an easy job to convince someone else that you won't pay anymore when they know you have the financial means to. How do you make people think that, no, seriously THIS is the most you'll pay?
<50m would be a good deal in my eyes, if we get him for less than sterlings 44 then I think Everyone should be happy.
I am not saying he is a bad player, i just said i will not get carried away like some of us on here that think he is going to be the lynchpin of our midfield when all he is, is clearly a squad player to offer us a slightly different option in midfield.
The reason i prefer Barry as i have said, is because he was a much more intelligent footballer. Better passer, better shielder/protector of the ball, more maturity in his play, more tactical awareness on the field... Delph is a slightly different player who plays on adrenaline. Not a dictator or controller of a game, but a more high octane player who offers more pace and energy within the midfield. City tend to have the ball a lot more than other sides so it will be interesting to see if that kind of player will fit in our side. He will have to play a more patient game with us than he did at Villa, a more disciplined role.
Do you want the club to improve... yes or no?
That is our exact point, there is nothing wrong with having ambition.
It's not an easy job to convince someone else that you won't pay anymore when they know you have the financial means to. How do you make people think that, no, seriously THIS is the most you'll pay? The only way to do it is to take your time, look ponderous, like you are really questioning whether to go that high etc. that's what takes the time in my opinion. It was reported that Wolfsburg aren't giving us a definitive asking price to try and work against, which makes it even harder.
<50m would be a good deal in my eyes, if we get him for less than sterlings 44 then I think Everyone should be happy.
We're debating the subject, you're criticising the posters. Huge difference.
I'm not really looking at the names of the posters, just at the arguments they're putting forwards, you're doing precisely the opposite and making wild assumptions based on who is posting - people you neither know, nor choose to read impartially.
Once you start slagging off the posters and not their points - all is lost.
Well I for one don't like that.You have to sacrifice some players to do that - by being prepared to walk away - and the moment we do that, the fans will be up in arms saying 'why didn't we just pay the extra, we can afford it'. The only way we can enhance our reputation for being stalwart in deals is by being prepared to walk. But are we (club and fans) really prepared to do that?
Also, it's a total myth that we have unlimited funds, and I think some other clubs possibly over estimate how much we have to play with. Wolfsburg can easily think 50m is no great problem for us (which it isn't in isolation), but as part of a whole summer packager involving other high value targets, it CAN be an issue, and of course, they want us to sacrifice other deals in order to spend more on their own transfer).
This is where Txiki's on a hiding to nothing:
1) Some players won't want to come - nothing we can do.
2) Some players will be reluctant and need to be persuaded (usually money) - but that's not a good sign for an expensive buy, and it usually means they are costing more than they should, which has knock on effects on other deals.
3) Half the fans are wanting a big name players
4) The other half are demanding we're not taken advantage of and need to tell other clubs to sod off if they're taking us for a ride.
5) Precisely the same is happening with outgoing players, where half the fans want rid at any cost, and the other half want to hold out for what WE think the true value is.
Whatever he (or City) does, someone's not going to like it.
Let us all know when you're contributing to the football discussion. You're the one moaning more than most and contributing nothing to the actual discussion.I'm just sick and tired of people like YOU moaning all the fucking time.
Graham Taylor, is that you? ;-)Well I for one don't like that.
That's not something I'm at liberty to discuss :)Graham Taylor, is that you? ;-)
haha I'm chuckling thinking back to Phil Neal at his side! Yes guv, no guv, that's right guv.That's not something I'm at liberty to discuss :)
He was considered bang average by most City fans. Then when he comes to us, he's got huge potential. Then he changes his mind and returns to bang average / bottler, and now he's got huge potential again.
It's the same with most clubs fans. I think he's another water carrier who is a decent squad player for 8m, and his HG status counts heavily in his favour. He's not Pirlo though.
This transfer isn't like the sterling one where we had very little dialogue with liverpool, and the leaked and then officially rejected each offer. It seems we and Wolfsburg are in regular contact and a fee will be agreed quietly.
Think of the Delph transfer. The first news that broke was that it was done and dusted, he was heading for the medical when the news broke (which he didn't turn up for).
I think KDB will be the same. Wolfsburg announcing they've accepted an offer will be the first news. Or maybe KDB getting on a plane.
We won't go through the Public dance of bid, rejection, bid, rejection etc.
I championed him last season and was amongst the minority on here who thought he was a great little addition especially given the small fee we paid.
I think he'll surprise pure heads this season.
That's not something I'm at liberty to discuss :)
No, I don't.
Are you seriously just fucking stupid???
Ah sorry, I was actually just taking the piss out of the buzz words that the media use when coming up with the stories. Not havinga flap per se.
Ta though, hopefully with Wolfsburg being classier than Liverpool it will be resolved more smoothly.
Use the bus shelter in front :)Hope you've pinched your tent at Wilmslow Hospital mate! Slacker :)
Hope you're right.
People said the same of Milner when he was with us - he was slagged off by England fans for being average and not really up to much, but those who saw him week in week out (us) knew he was decent. Ironically, now he's gone to Liverpool, the pundits are hailing him as fantastic (funny that).
He doesn't have to be world class for us, as long as he's decent, at 8m that's good value. If he ups his game by being with better players that'll be a great bonus imo.
I'm just sick and tired of people like YOU moaning all the fucking time.
Let us all know when you're contributing to the football discussion. You're the one moaning more than most and contributing nothing to the actual discussion.
If you're having trouble with other posters, exercise self control and ignore their posts, or put them on ignore.
Getting wound up by other people is a measure of your own control, not theirs. You are after all responsible for your own emotions right?
That's 3 or 4 posters that seem to wind you up now. There's a common denominator, you.